Technology

That is too bad. Wikipedia is important.

This will be unpopular, but hear me out. Maybe the decline in visitors is only a decline in the folks who are simply looking for a specific word or name and the forgot. Like, that one guy who believed in the survival of the fittest. Um. Let me try to remember. I think he had an epic beard. Ah! Darwin! I just needed a reminder, I didn't want to read the entire article on him because I did that years ago.

Look at your own behaviors on lemmy. How often do you click/tap through to the complete article? What if it's just a headline? What if it's the whole article pasted into the body of the post? Click bait headlines are almost universally hated, but it's a desperate attempt to drive traffic to the site. Sometimes all you need is the article synopsis. Soccer team A beats team B in overtime. Great, that's all I need to know..unless I have a fantasy team.

If this AI stuff weren't a bubble and the companies dumping billions into it were capable of any long term planning they'd call up wikipedia and say "how much do you need? we'll write you a cheque"

They're trying to figure out nefarious ways of getting data from people and wikipedia literally has people doing work to try to create high quality data for a relatively small amount of money that's very valuable to these AI companies.

But nah, they'll just shove AI into everything blow the equivalent of Wikipedia's annual budget in a week on just electricity to shove unwanted AI slop into people's faces.

(pasting a Mastodon post I wrote few days ago on StackOverflow but IMHO applies to Wikipedia too)

"AI, as in the current LLM hype, is not just pointless but rather harmful epistemologically speaking.

It's a big word so let me unpack the idea with 1 example :

• StackOverflow, or SO for shot.

So SO is cratering in popularity. Maybe it's related to LLM craze, maybe not but in practice, less and less people is using SO.

SO is basically a software developer social network that goes like this :

• hey I have this problem, I tried this and it didn't work, what can I do?
• well (sometimes condescendingly) it works like this so that worked for me and here is why

then people discuss via comments, answers, vote, etc until, hopefully the most appropriate (which does not mean "correct") answer rises to the top.

The next person with the same, or similar enough, problem gets to try right away what might work.

SO is very efficient in that sense but sometimes the tone itself can be negative, even toxic.

Sometimes the person asking did not bother search much, sometimes they clearly have no grasp of the problem, so replies can be terse, if not worst.

Yet the content itself is often correct in the sense that it does solve the problem.

So SO in a way is the pinnacle of "technically right" yet being an ass about it.

Meanwhile what if you could get roughly the same mapping between a problem and its solution but in a nice, even sycophantic, matter?

Of course the switch will happen.

That's nice, right?.. right?!

It is. For a bit.

It's actually REALLY nice.

Until the "thing" you "discuss" with maybe KPI is keeping you engaged (as its owner get paid per interaction) regardless of how usable (let's not even say true or correct) its answer is.

That's a deep problem because that thing does not learn.

It has no learning capability. It's not just "a bit slow" or "dumb" but rather it does not learn, at all.

It gets updated with a new dataset, fine tuned, etc... but there is no action that leads to invalidation of a hypothesis generated a novel one that then ... setup a safe environment to test within (that's basically what learning is).

So... you sit there until the LLM gets updated but... with that? Now that less and less people bother updating your source (namely SO) how is your "thing" going to lean, sorry to get updated, without new contributions?

Now if we step back not at the individual level but at the collective level we can see how short-termist the whole endeavor is.

Yes, it might help some, even a lot, of people to "vile code" sorry I mean "vibe code", their way out of a problem, but if :

• they, the individual
• it, the model
• we, society, do not contribute back to the dataset to upgrade from...

well I guess we are going faster right now, for some, but overall we will inexorably slow down.

So yes epistemologically we are slowing down, if not worst.

Anyway, I'm back on SO, trying to actually understand a problem. Trying to actually learn from my "bad" situation and rather than randomly try the statistically most likely solution, genuinely understand WHY I got there in the first place.

I'll share my answer back on SO hoping to help other.

Don't just "use" a tool, think, genuinely, it's not just fun, it's also liberating.

Literally.

Don't give away your autonomy for a quick fix, you'll get stuck."

originally on https://mastodon.pirateparty.be/@utopiah/115315866570543792

AI will inevitably kill all the sources of actual information. Then all we're going to be left with is the fuzzy learned version of information plus a heap of hallucinations.

What a time to be alive.

“With fewer visits to Wikipedia, fewer volunteers may grow and enrich the content, and fewer individual donors may support this work.”

I understand the donors aspect, but I don't think anyone who is satisfied with AI slop would bother to improve wiki articles anyway.

Not me. I value Wikipedia content over AI slop.

Yet I still have to go to the page for the episode lists of my favorite TV shows because every time I ask AI which ones to watch it starts making up episodes that either don't exist or it gives me the wrong number.

Every time someone visits Wikipedia they make exactly $0. In fact, it costs them money. Are people still contributing and/or donating? These seem like more important questions to me.

Wikipedia, is becoming one of few places I trust the information.

I guess I'm a bit old school, I still love Wikipedia.

I asked a chatbot scenarios for AI wiping out humanity and the most believable one is where it makes humans so dependent and infantilized on it that we just eventually stop reproducing and die out.

all websites should block ai and bot traffic on principle.

I'm part of the problem. I now use Le Chat instead of search engines because AI destroyed search engines, thanks to all the content mills that make slop. I wish search engines just worked, and it's a classic example of capitalism creating problems to justify new technology.

And I wonder if it's just AI. I know some people moved to backing up pre-2025 versions of Wikipedia via Kiwix out of fear that the site gets censored. I know now that I've done that, it's a no-brainer to just do my Wikipedia research without using bandwidth.

I am kinda a big hater on AI and what danger it represents to the future of humanity

But. as a hobby programmer, I was surprised at how good these llms can answer very technical questions and provide conceptual insight and suggestions about how to glue different pieces of software together and which are the limitations of each one. I know that if AI knows about this stuff it must have been produced by a human. but considering the shitty state of the internet where copycat website are competing to outrank each other with garbage blocks of text that never answer what you are looking for. the honest blog post is instead burried at the 99 page in google search. I can't see how old school search will win over.

Add to that I have found forums and platforms like stack overflow to be not always very helpful, I have many unanswered questions on stackoverflow piled-up over many years ago. things that llms can answer in details in just seconds without ever being annoyed at me or passing passive aggressive comments.