It's wild that these cloud providers were seen as a one-way stop to ensure reliability, only to make them a universal single point of failure.
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But if everyone else is down too, you don't look so bad 🧠
No one ever got fired for buying IBM.
Yes but now it is nobody ever got fired for buying Cisco.
One of our client support people told an angry client to open a Jira with urgent priority and we'd get right on it.
... the client support person knew full well that Jira was down too : D
At least, I think they knew. Either way, not shit we could do about it for that particular region until AWS fixed things.
It is still a logical argument, especially for smaller shops. I mean, you can (as self-hosters know) set up automatic backups, failover systems, and all that, but it takes significant time & resources. Redundant internet connectivity? Redundant power delivery? Spare capacity to handle a 10x demand spike? Those are big expenses for small, even mid-sized business. No one really cares if your dentist's office is offline for a day, even if they have to cancel appointments because they can't process payments or records.
Meanwhile, theoretically, reliability is such a core function of cloud providers that they should pay for experts' experts and platinum standard infrastructure. It makes any problem they do have newsworthy.
I mean,it seems silly for orgs as big and internet-centric as Fortnite, Zoom, or forturne-500 bank to outsource their internet, and maybe this will be a lesson for them.
They zigged when we all zagged.
Decentralisation has always been the answer.
universal single point of failure.
If it's not a region failure, it's someone pushing untested slop into the devops pipeline and vaping a network config. So very fired.
Apparently it was DNS. It’s always DNS…
yeah, so many things now use AWS in some way. So when AWS has a cold, the internet shivers
I hate how Signal went down because of this... Wish it wasn't so centralised.
My friend messaged me on Signal asking if Instructure (runs on AWS) was down. I got the message. That being said, it's scary that Signal's backbone depends on AWS
Why is this scary? That's what e2ee is for, so that no one besides your recipient can view the contents of a message. It does not matter which server is used. If anything for a service like Signal, you want a server with high availability like AWS, Azure, Google Cloud or Cloudflare.
Scared because it's centralized. If Amazon decides that it wants to shut Signal down, they can. Nobody can spin up a Signal instance and help out.
I have been able to use Signal like any other day. I haven’t seen any disruption in sending or receiving.
Why do we place so much reliance on one mega company? This level of importance. It should be seized by the government.
It should be seized by the ~~government~~ people and mercilessly decentralized.
Agree
AWS aggressively pursues high priced and years-long spending commitments with large customers, and they incentivize it with huge discounts for doing so.
And when AWS does this they intentionally incentivize these large customers to migrate existing workloads away from other cloud service providers as well, going so far as to offer assistance in doing so.
Why do we place so much reliance on one mega company? This level of importance.
Because it's cheaper and (in broad terms) more reliable than everybody having a data centre.
It should be seized by the government.
Oh yeah, what could possibly go wrong if the US government owned Amazon!
Do you really want someone like the magahats having control over something like that?
Who wants to bet Amazon gave AI full access to their prod config and it screwed it up.
Or some engineer decide today would be a great day to play with BGP
Yeah, was reading about it here too
Ring doorbells, Alexa, ahh... the joys of selfhosting.
Is there no way to check the doorbell video locally?
An Amazon employee misconfigures something and now your doorbell doesn't work
I don't have one (because of that point), so I don't know...
Presumably the app and doorbell are hardcoded to go to an AWS URL (so it's "easier" for consumers), but in theory the data's all on your wifi.
Obligatory
Oh wow their front page doesn't mention at all that their products run locally and don't require subscriptions.
according to that page the issue stemmed from an underlying system responsible for health checks in load balancing servers.
how the hell do you fuck up a health check config that bad? that's like messing up smartd.conf and taking your system offline somehow
Well, you see, the mistake you are making is believing a single thing the stupid AWS status board says. It is always fucking lying, sometimes in new and creative ways.
That explains why my Matrix <-> Signal bridge was complaining about being disconnected.
This kind of shit will only increase as more of these companies believe they can vibe-code their way out of paying software devs what they are worth.
For some reason I hear Gilfoyle pontificating about what he does
It makes me wish I was selfhosting more services, music & chat in particular. It wasn't important enough to set up yet
Can recommend Jellyfin, I use it for both music and tv/movies. Not sure on the chat bit, there are so many option it could get a long list
Good
It takes 5-10 reloads to get an page from IMDB lol
OMG, IMDB too
They are an Amazon company, so it makes sense they'd be using AWS.
A fun game to play right now is to try to hit any of your regularly visited sites and see which ones are down. 😂