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[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dumbshit Democrat voters need to be reminded how horrible Trump is. Can't remember just four fucking years ago.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Democratic establishment has still failed to line up and support Mamdani in NY, so there isn't going to be much patience on the left for hearing about what Democratic "voters" don't get. The voters aren't the source of the problem.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Only Schumer hasn't. Hochul, Jefferies, and Obama have all fallen in-line as of this comment.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 16 hours ago

Only Obama has come close to a real endorsement, and none came in when they might have mattered, Has Jefferies even worked up the courage to endorse him by name yet, or is it still just "the Democratic candidate" LOL?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

TBH I don't care about a 2018 lead, I want to see the 1975-1979 lead where the Democrats gain supermajority. I want to see 1894 type of numbers where the overreaching party who implemented tariffs see a 100+ seat loss.

I want every single Republican out of a job.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

100+ seat loss isn’t possible in the US. City/Suburban ideology is the polar opposite of the rural one. Our system gives disproportionate voices to people who live in rural areas. Young people today have left their rural communities for the cities because it’s not possible to lead a comfortable working life in rural America anymore. The Carter flip was only possible because the democratic base was diffused across many rural counties; that’s not the case anymore.

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

There is no such thing as city/suburban ideology. Sure, cities and rural areas are different, but if Trump screws them both, they're both capable of voting against him.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It literally happened in the exact example I gave. Only 35 seats total are up for reelection in the house but I was being clear about what I wanted.

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[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (5 children)

And they will still manage to fuck it up somehow

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Schumer and Jeffries are doing a very, very lame and cringe dance around their office right now, as dreams of status-quo and elderly, out-of-touch representatives preserving wealth inequality dance in their heads.

"This means we can run Harris again, right?"

"Of course, and we will make Liz Cheney her running mate this time around, it's assured to succeed, it checks all the boxes, diversity! bipartisanship! Women in power! The people will love it!"

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm reminded of a recent debate about fixing ICE, where someone said "What do you mean, fix them? They're working as intended."

To me, the Democratic party evokes a similar problem: I believe their goal is to maintain between 40-60% popularity. So, the champagne is uncorked at 40, not 50; because they don't care about winning. They just care about people being scared of a loss, and viewing them as a strong-enough alternative to send them massive numbers of donations. If they were below 40, then people might lose hope in them or form an alternative. If they were above 60, then they could stand to cozy up to some corrupt billionaires, get away with some horrible legislative corruption for profit, and stand to drop a few points.

But the key here is, all of this only works because of fear of a far, far worse alternative. I've voted in elections where I had reasonable faith that every candidate on the ballet wanted the best for their constituents, and voted based on policy improvement and experience. As long as one party is so far below the basic standards that a corrupt career politician seems better if he can promise "No secret police", then the Democrats' way of maintaining 40-60 is easy.

So, next time they run a candidate that gets a "failure" of 45% of the vote, remember, they're not your friends and they don't care; they hit their goal. It's still a failure of people that voted for a wolf in wolf's clothing.

[–] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 19 minutes ago

While I believe that this is accurate, as a broad stroke and specifically of the DNC itself, any individual democratic politician is not necessarily corrupt and playing a foil. Especially as you get more and more local.

Don't let cynicism prevent you from voting for a local candidate for mayor or city council, for example. It'll take time to see if Mamdani is what he claims to be, but it's not unreasonable for someone who is mad at the current situation to run for office with a real intent to improve things.

The way we fix things is by getting the local orgs to throw their weight around. Those precinct orgs get votes in the district and district vote in state and state vote nationally. If you're mad right now or were mad in 2020, then get involved. Find your local democratic organization and become the change. Under our Representative Democracy, we don't always directly elect our leadership, but we do get to elect the people that elect the people that elect the people... Gotta start at the bottom and ensure that first step has our values in mind. Right now, too many people only get involved every 2-4 years and are mad at the results.

"President" and "Senator" are important titles, but so is "County Chair". Doing this and pushing the Democratic party further left will be more effective than sending a protest vote for a third party every 4 years, but you can do both.

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[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 55 points 2 days ago (16 children)

Don’t worry, the Democratic establishment will figure out a way to quickly fuck this up before the midterm elections.

I’m sure they will choose a panel of milquetoast corporate centrist neo-liberal fuck wads for the people to choose from and again blame it on voter apathy. add a little corporate campaign, finance rule, bending to funnel the most amount of money towards their desired candidate and you have the classic recipe for “ Why do Democrats always lose elections?”

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It is so much easier and so much more profitable to be the minority party of opposition to evil. You don't need exciting new ideas, just exciting "back to normal" ideas. ...and even "normal" can be made progressively shittier every cycle.

The rich and powerful can handpick their favorite candidates, negotiate a few table scraps in the direction of normal that they're willing to accept, and call it a win. The campaign industrial complex gets to make a shit load of money.

Most importantly, their ultimate campaign slogan is "Vote for me, or else evil wins." Easy money all around.

Then when nothing good happens during a Democrats's turn, they can blame Democrats and then the Republicans they handpick get to ratchet things back in the rich's direction again.

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[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Is there any reason to trust these polls? I feel like they've been wrong since 2016

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

The problem with 2016 was that the polls accurately predicted who would win the popular vote, because that's what they measure. The 270toWin poll based outcome showed Trump's chance of victory LINK HERE, and so did 538 which is no longer available as it was purchased by ABC News and taken offline.

Trump's loss in 2020 and victory again in 2024 were also predicted by both aggregate polls and online betting platforms.

The problem with poll inaccuracy is solved by two methods: increased sample size and giving priority based on perceived bias (gaining back points for having clear and accurate data available to the public).

Maybe?

I don't have the time or energy to dive into the methodology to figure out if any poll is conducted scientifically. What I do know is that it's way easier to build a bad poll, and easier still to hit the bricks and generate heaps of bad data.

What I really wish these would ask are things like: "if you had the only vote and could write-in anyone that is eligable, even if they're not on the ballot, who would you choose?"... or: "Who is your favorite person in politics right now?" Disregarding of all the nonsense answers, you'd probably find out a lot more about hearts and minds versus whatever controlled choices major parties are propping up.

[–] bobaworld@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I think 2016 proved that we should actively ignore them and not get complacent based on poll numbers.

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[–] DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pools doesn’t matter if people don’t go and vote

[–] CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

pools always matter! You can cool down, get some exercise, maybe even play some Marco Polo.

[–] lando55@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

You can win money at the office, maybe play some billiards

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 days ago

Next headline, in November: "Unexpected last-minute swing to GOP."

And the obvious conclusion will never be drawn.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 145 points 2 days ago (8 children)

The only Congresional poll that matters is the one next November, and Republicans are doing everything they can to make sure that they can still control Congress, even if the Majority of voters don't want them to.

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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Democratic Leadership: Hold my beer

[–] JHRD1880@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We'll see, it's still ages until the midterms. Let's first assume there will be midterms.

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[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Really, though, it says a lot about how shitty the democratic party is that the headline says “since 2018” instead of “since the beginning of time”. Trump is a disgusting, rancorous idiot. Everything about him is vile, from his appearance to his voice to his tiny reptilian brain. The fact that the democrats came in second to this human shitstain strongly suggests that the must have, oh i dunno, badly and repeatedly disappointed the american people.

Maybe they could shit-can their entire leadership and get behind someone like Mamdani. Or just disband and make room for a new party.

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[–] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Same as the first Trump admin. Dude can't govern, and people will respond to that. Except this time he's ethnically cleansing rather than just doing covid wrong.

Everyone in the US better hope dems can field a candidate through their fucked up primary system that's gonna be young and re-electable. It's gonna take at least 8 years to even slightly unfuck this mess.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (5 children)

8 years… ha ha ha!!! I know you said at least but I'm not sure will ever truly know how much they’ve fucked things up. I’m 55 and I doubt it will be fixed before I die.

And if they don’t put some guardrails with some serious teeth and consequences to fix all of things most politicians generally followed in good faith it’s just gonna happen again. I’m seriously starting to believe the American experiment is over. Late stage capitalism, tribalism, and any appearance of empathy have killed it.

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[–] _chris@lemmy.world 68 points 2 days ago

Which is exactly why the nazis in charge are already undermining elections and have been for years. Building up deniability in the minds of their racist voters to make it easier to control the results if not throw them out entirely.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

Since the last time they forgot they made the same mistake.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago

So Shittler will say elections are stolen and illegal when the midterms roll around and maga gets tossed to the curb? And then what?

2018 wasn't a fucking banner year. PANIC AS DEMOCRATS AREN'T HATED ACROSS THE BOARD wouldn't be quite the headline I guess.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

In a sane world, Dems should be leading by high double-digits, but alas.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Because for almost a year now the DNC has been taking all the money Hillary/Biden/Kamala stole from state parties, back to the state parties.

Who have been using the funds to work at campaign staffing levels we usually only see for a few months before election.

That outreach is working, and no one should be surprised.

It's just the goal of neoliberlism is a neoliberal president and at most either the House or Senate. If/when they get it all, they have to make up excuses for why they're not doing what they said they'd do.

It's like when an athlete bets their team will win, but not beat the spread...

Sometimes they end up losing the game by trying to keep it close. But their motivation isn't winning games, it's hitting the sweet spot where they get a bunch of unethical money

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[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 23 points 2 days ago

Don’t worry. MAGA will figure out a way to cancel future elections.

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