If you experience issues or problems with this instance (lemmy.today), this is the place to discuss them. Or if you just want to ask questions about how something works. Anything related to the instance or lemmy itself.
This just popped up on my "Home" feed, but I see it's an older post.
I tend to agree that communities should have commenting open. If they don't want comments, then social media isn't the place to post.
In terms of removing posts: my opinion is if they are legal to discuss (as you mentioned), and they're not harassing folks, then they should be allowed to stay.
Thats interesting, I created it 5 minutes ago. How old does it look?
Thanks for commenting!
As it turns out, I'm just an idiot.
The "4m" meant 4 minutes...not 4 months 😬.
I think its just not good design. The user interface probably should type out "4 mins" instead of "4m"...
But its not a major problem. :)
In terms of removing posts: my opinion is if they are legal to discuss (as you mentioned), and they’re not harassing folks, then they should be allowed to stay.
In my communities at least, most of the comments are just name calling and false accusations. Lemmy def does not appreciate anything that isn't a left viewpoint.
Discussion is fine. Posters just telling me that I celebrate pedo's and Nazis because I post an article from Fox News isn't really discussion tho. lol
I wanted to get some input from you guys, what do you think? Should we have communities with locked posts so people cant comment? Does it still serve a purpose? Or should communities always allow discussions? My own opinion is that they should.
I don't have any objection to them as long as people aren't trying to "eat up" community names en masse or something, and I don't think that there's some raging torrent of people wanting to run discussion conservative communities that this is blocking. I mean, I'm not really very interested in no-discussion communities myself, but I don't think that they cause any particular harm. There are probably some people who are just fine with an RSS-feed-style thing. And I'd expect that a minority of communities would fit my particular tastes.
I don't have any objection to the admins saying that they don't like it as a matter of policy, though I think that in practice, it's going to likely result in the mod placing restrictive rules for discussion (like, I'm assuming that he wants to run his conservative community without a lot of political disagreement) and an enforcement headache.
And should we clean up communities and remove inactive ones, making more room for local discussions?
I would personally suggest doing this on a lazy basis. I mean, I don't think that inactive communities hurt unless the moderators are inactive and there are moderators who do want to actively moderate. If someone wants to take over moderation, can just accept a request to take the thing over. It's easy enough to sort communities by activity to find active ones if one wants.
I do think that there's maybe some argument for proactively removing "throwaway" communities that are named something like "test37" and have one post and are clearly never going to go anywhere.
The reason I started thinking about this is because I noticed that some other instances remove posts that are completely legal to discuss. They are just removed because admins/moderators dont like their content. Which is exactly like on reddit then.
It's your instance, so your call. If you want all communities to be explicitly light-touch moderation, your call. Personally, I think that restrictive moderation is fine, as long as I'm not restricted from using a light-touch moderated community. I mean, I don't really like moderation and admin stuff on lemmygrad.ml, but I also don't really think that defederating from it makes sense. It's just one more option, and clearly some people do like that sort of thing. Same deal with local communities.
That being said, it could also be that having an explicitly-permissive-communities instance might be valued by some users. Like, lemmy.blahaj.zone is a trans-oriented instance. pawb.social is a furry-oriented instance. Might be that some users would like an instance where moderators aren't allowed to restrict discussion like that. Not really something that I'm hankering for, but there could be users who want it. Part of the benefit of having a bunch of instances on the Threadiverse is that it's possible to try doing stuff like that, and if people don't like it, well, also a bunch of other instances to put a community on.
Thanks for your input!
I think you are right about this. Anyone can create a community where posts are allowed to be discussed if they want to. It doesnt create any harm to let locked communities exist, if an open community can be created by someone else.
I also agree with you about moderation. I dont like certain instances, but I believe it must be up to the user to decide if they want to see content from there. It would otherwise be like trying to stand outside a store I dont like, and blocking people from going in there, because I dont like the store.
I don’t think that there’s some raging torrent of people wanting to run discussion conservative communities that this is blocking
In my conservative community, people now about how locking it stopped discussion, but I wasn't getting discussion. Every article was just people calling me a Nazi. None of the comments were about politics. It was immediately name calling and accusations. I started locking after the Kirk shooting when Lemmy was in a very weird place of celebrating blood lust.
Unlocked now tho. I think it's calmed down a bit.
And also, your post is full of great insights!
Good moderation creates good communities
If it were simple an LLM would do it perfectly
Always had a lot of respect for the way Hacker News is moderated. Just like you say, good moderation there has created a gold mine of good discussions.
I don't think posts should be locked.
They're not now. The amount of nazi and fascist accusations, and Lemmy celebrations right after the Kirk shooting was getting out of hand, so I locked things down for a bit. I think things have calmed down now, so no locking now :)
Sorry, I'm just noticing this post today.
I started unlocking posts today in my main community. I started locking because right after the Kirk killing, people on Lemmy were celebrating and tensions were high. The bloodlust was crazy! Most of the "discussions" on the posts in that community were basically people accusing me of being a Nazi, talking about Nazi bars, this instance being a nazi instance, etc.
It's legit just links to news articles that be posted, but somehow how every just assumes I'm a Nazi, even tho I have nothing to do with the creation of the articles.
As of right now tho, no more locking, unless they start getting bloodlusty again. It was never a matter of me not being being able to handle the critical comments, it was a matter of trying to cut back on the hate the admin and this instance gets because of me.
But I think by now most of the really hateful people have blocked me anyway, so maybe that will cut back on the reports too? :)
Thank you!
Lets see how it goes. I dont think the posts are full of hate. Just glancing over it a bit:
I understand some people dont like conservative politics, or like Trump, or republicans... but I think lemmy should be a platform to discuss things, including politics, if you want to.
People who dont like the content should not join the community. Its like me walking into a bar and telling people they shouldnt drink alcohol. Even though I dont drink myself.
Anyway, lets see how it goes...
Sorry I mispoke; I meant that the hate was coming from the comments in the threads under the articles, and was reverting to name calling, so I was locking everything. But everything seems to have calmed down now, so I don't see any reason to lock.
The great thing about how you admin is that you always stay on top of things and investigate stuff for yourself, make a decision, and not take stuff at face value or just fall into the pressure of appeasing people just to avoid drama.
So I appreciate you and the hard work you do!
Modding is crazy enough; being admin probably sucks way more! lol
Its not too bad on this instance since we are small. :)
But yeah, I want the instance to be a place for people who want to see the full fediverse and who doesnt need / want the instance owner to block other instances for them.
I rather would like users to block instances they dont want to see content from, or unsubscribe from content they dont want (by default they are unsubscribed to everything).
This attitude seems to be rare in the Lemmy fediverse.....
Agreed! Individual users have so many tools to block people/places that they don't wanna see. I have no idea why some choose to visit places they hate, then complain that their instances hasn't defed'd from someone. If I don't like somewhere, I don't go here. If I keep coming across it and it annoys me enough, I just block it. Boom! Gone
The whole idea of Lemmy, that made me support it in the first place, is that it was designed with the goal of no one controling what you see or do. So I don't understand all the users complaining to their instance admins about who should be banned from Lemmy for life or whatever. Just block, and move on. We have built in tools just for that.
That's the whole point of Lemmy in my opinion: no one controls you.