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    [–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

    I don't understand why any user would have to care or even know what GUI toolkit an app uses.

    I don't know why the burden is put on the user/DE. You shouldn't have to care about what GUI toolkit your DE uses either.

    DE and themes should be decoupled from eachother. So the user can install whatever "theming system" they want, and GUI toolkits should aim to support as many theming systems as practical.

    GUI toolkits are implementation details, the user doesn't care about implementation, it cares about what it sees. And what it sees is the colors and icons.

    [–] BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 week ago

    I also blame Qt for not being able to modify the app window header in Ubuntu.

    [–] pedz@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    When I started to use Linux more than two decades ago, Qt's license was not considered free software friendly. Because I didn't want proprietary software, I avoided KDE and Qt applications. I know the situation changed after a few years but it stuck with me.

    Controversy erupted around 1998 when it became clear that the K Desktop Environment was going to become one of the leading desktop environments for Linux. As it was based on Qt, many people in the free software movement worried that an essential piece of one of their major operating systems would be proprietary.

    Plus, it was much easier at that time to have themes and "rice" my desktop using only GTK apps.

    So it's petty but even to this day, I kept the old habit and still avoid Qt applications.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 6 days ago

    I think that mentality is silly

    However, once you get past a certain age change becomes hard

    [–] mmmm@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    A few days ago I saw a post on c/opensource@lemmy.ml about "an alternarive to KDE Connect", and the rationale to wanting "an alternative to KDE Connect" was that it "makes you download a lot of other software that you don't really need". Which it's just the required Qt stuff. imho that's plain ridiculous.

    Given the high upvote count you can guess people just think about GTK as the default and every other toolkit as "software you don't really need".

    [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 25 points 1 week ago

    I have none of those problems. Must be a skill issue

    [–] victorz@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Why is it a problem that there are "bits" of light mode in the UI when switching from dark mode? You'd think you'd want all of the bits to be light mode then. Is that the issue, that not all bits are light mode?

    [–] Geodad@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I just avoid qt altogether.

    [–] OR3X@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

    I try to when I have a choice. I'll normally pick gtk apps over qt counterparts if they're roughly equivalent feature-wise because my DE of choice uses gtk. That being said in some instances there just isn't a gtk application that has the features I need. A good example is Kdenlive. There just isn't anything gtk-based that comes close.

    [–] youngGoku@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I kinda miss my Gnome DE. Ive Been using KDE Plasma after upgrading Debian which it now officially supports but I've been experiencing crashes and bugs... This surprises me on a Debian machine.

    [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Ive Been using KDE Plasma after upgrading Debian which it now officially supports but I’ve been experiencing crashes and bugs… This surprises me on a Debian machine.

    Doesn't surprise me. Debian's definition of stability is "stays the same", not "free of bugs". In Debian Stable packages are frozen and only severe bugs are allowed to be fixed which doesn't necessarily mean crashes but security risks.

    Then there is Debian Unstable. The name already says it. It's unstable, it's the development branch.

    For some time Ubuntu was the middle ground of a regular, bugfixed snapshot of Debian Unstable but that Snap infested POS is no longer suitable for regular users.

    [–] PlexSheep 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    Debian testing is what you forgot and is the middle ground.

    [–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 1 points 19 minutes ago

    Except debian testing doesn't receive security updates in a timely manner.

    It's designed exclusively for testing, not really for people to actually use it.

    [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    It's yet another development branch, this time for beta testing.

    [–] PlexSheep 1 points 6 days ago

    Correct

    [–] mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    yup I've tried kde so many times...a week was the longest i could live with it. i don't get how people can use something that buggy, or is it something hw specific. I'm getting an AMD GPU soon, interesting to see if I can finally leave cinnamon behind.

    [–] nkk@programming.dev 5 points 1 week ago

    🚨 ANTI KDE LANGUAGE DETECTED 🚨

    [–] juipeltje@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

    I'm personally GTK gang. I only use like 1 or 2 qt apps because there's no alternative and i don't even bother theming them anymore.

    [–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

    KDE by default doesn't have a mac style global menu. If the third party extension that provides this looks fancy but doesn't work perfectly ask the devs to do more free work or roll up your sleeves. In any case its not part of KDE.

    If you use a proper style sheet/dark theme for both QT and GTK and set flatpak to use it you really shouldn't have any complaints about dark themes save for websites. Trying to make websites all dark themed is a fools errand. You'll eventually find that some don't style right if you force it.

    Use integer scaling. Buy devices that are 4K at 24-32 or 1080p at 11-14" you know the most common sizes?

    [–] TheBat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

    Quentin Tarantino?