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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Who're you going to believe bombed that hospital, fat, me, your best friend or your lyin' eyes? biden-forgor

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[–] Babs@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The west is completely controlled by genocidal fascists and it's hard to hold on to hope that it will ever change. Even our "lesser evils" are complete monsters.

May america suffer a thousand more 9/11s. We deserve worse.

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[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Thinking about making a browser add on to substitute the phrase Joe Biden or president biden with genocide joe

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[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago (1 children)

DAY 15! GIVE IT UP FOR DAY 15!

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[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Finkelstein approaches the lathe with some recent analysis lathe-of-heaven

The Truth behind Biden's Visit, the Hospital Massacre, and Biden's Lie:

  1. Hezbollah and Iran stated that unless Israeli attacks on civilians ceased, they would intervene;
  1. Israel panicked. It can carry out massacres of defenseless populations but it can't fight ground wars. It has dreaded a ground war in Gaza, let alone fighting the Party of God;
  1. Israel begged Biden to visit to protect it from a second-front war;
  1. When Israel carried out the hospital massacre, Biden agreed to lie about the attack only if Israel agreed to cease its genocidal plan in Gaza and allow in humanitarian aid;
  1. Biden lied exactly as Lyndon Baines Johnson lied in June 1967 when Israel attacked the U.S.S. Liberty, killing 34 American crewmen. Both LBJ and Biden lied to protect a key ally (and, not incidentally, a domestic electoral asset).
  1. Biden will now be praised for his statesmanship in standing by Israel and enabling humanitarian aid to enter Gaza.
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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

Biden is giving a press conference right now and he just said "You don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist. You don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist."

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He looked really fucking old and really fucking tired. And I mean even more than usual.

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[–] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago

Yesterday Netanyahu quoted the War Scroll. You know your country is politically healthy when you're quoting bronze age apocalyptic texts written by a religious movement that was effectively destroyed.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago (4 children)

"The truth might not get its pants on before the lies travel across the world."

A State Department hack just said that on MSNBC.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Spanish Deputy Prime Minister Ione Pellara: Diplomatic relations between Spain and Israel should be suspended

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago
[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (5 children)
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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (20 children)

on today's Majority Report:

  • play a clip of a Saudi official saying he condemns both sides
  • continue saying stuff like "the terrorist attack in Israel" and calling Hamas terrorists
  • Sam has on his liberal boomer friend who says this is an extremely complicated, difficult thing, and just so hard to understand
  • she also says she was disappointed in Biden at first for being "bellicose", but his speech last night was great because he's "tempered his bellicosity" and he's much more "statesmanlike" and it's great that he's acknowledging Palestinians and showing sympathy for them
  • she says "I shudder to think what would be said if Donald Trump was in office right now"
  • she says boomers are more sympathetic to Israel because "there's a historical reason for that, there's a lot of experience that leads people to sympathize with Israel's situation, not just in terms of this terrorist attack, but in terms of history which may seem a lot more immediate to older people"
  • she says "it's a shame in my view why Hamas decided to do such a horrific terrorist attack because it sets the Palestinian cause back in some ways in the minds of many people who were coming around to that (sympathetic to Palestinians)"
  • she says Trump bad because he's going to reinvoke the Muslim ban and do deportations - that's why Biden "isn't ideal, but this is the reality we're dealing with in American politics"
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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Putin: "They just moved 2 aviation (strike) groups into the Mediterranean Sea. I want to say-- this is not a threat, what I'm going to say now and what I will inform you about, but on my behalf, the Russian Air Force, Russian Space Forces are starting, on an ongoing basis, patrols in the neutral zone of the airspace of the Black Sea. And our planes, Mig-31 armed with Kinzhal missiles, they are known to have a range of 1000 kilometers at Mach 9 speed." Thus within range of the carrier groups.

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[–] BigBoyKarlLiebknecht@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago

trump-anguish i did everything right and they indicted meeeeee

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I've said before that the US is in the same stage the British Empire was during both World Wars when it was starting to realize just how far stretched out it was and seeing the cracks. What I'm not entirely sure of is whether the US is closer to a WW1 or WW2 like scenario. Has it already reached the full extent of its reach? Or will that happens once it finally manages to subjugate the EU?

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[–] elgonzalors@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The BBC posted this yesterday, today Israel bombed a hospital killing approximately 300 people.

Update: Almost 500 people https://nitter.net/ShehabAgency/status/1714330839717212472

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[–] blight@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago

Out of morbid curiosity I decided to check what my local big lib newspaper had to say about Palestine clueless

[–] geikei@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Some continued and sustained strengthening of KKE (Communist Party of Greece) in the last 1-2 years happening. After getting good results in the last parliamentary elections earlier this year (~7.5%) they now poll at ~10% in the first time since who knows when . And that level of support has been pretty much confirmed in the local elections (for regional and mayoral authorities) where communist candidates recieved ~10.5% of the votes country wide if you aggregate and elected mayors in some pretty big cities/populous Athens municapilities..

Yeah they are still at best mid-bad on LGBT issues (tho improving at a very slow pace). Yeah their foreign policy positions are still only ~70% there with some ultra left analysis on China and a couple of other issues. Yeah they have other issues. But they are still a hardboiled Marxist Lenninist party with little to no compromise on their positions and historical analysis or messaging. Very well and stricktly demcent organized ,with deep roots and activities on the union sphere and increasing membership and young support. Pretty much immune to spooks , gladio like infiltration or demsoc turns.

Looking at the state of communist parties and movements in most of the west , at eurocommunism and in general the post war trajectory of most , youdont have that kind of party with that kind of support and organizational strength almost anywhere else. So despite its flaws i cant really complain too much and its a bright spot for sure.

Another positive is that with KKE at this level of strength any EU promoted anti-communist or even anti-protest legislative stuff (that we see start popping up more and more around Europe) is basicaly dead on arival and impossible to implement and will only strengthen it while if KKE was weakened and at like 4% they would have attacked already

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago

Knesset Member Zvika Vogel:

“For me, there is no such thing as innocents in the Gaza Strip.”

[–] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (7 children)

the revolution will be funny because 90% of the right-wing will be too old to actually do any fighting

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (7 children)
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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Head of the Prisoners and Ex-Prisoners Affairs’ Commission, Qadura Fares: — Developments in the scene inside the occupation prisons compel us to expose the injustices committed against the prisoners.

Many prisoners have had their limbs, legs, and hands broken, and after the beatings, their comrades could no longer recognize them.

The Naqab prison has become like Abu Ghraib prison, a center of brutality and savage treatment towards the heroic prisoners.

"Israel" is making the Palestinian prisoners pay the price for its failures, acting solely with a spirit of revenge.

We call upon all the countries of the world to raise your voices in support of the principles you claim to uphold, or have you returned to your history as colonial powers?

The number of Palestinian prisoners in occupation prisons was 5,300, but it has increased to over 10,000 since October 7th.

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[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I can't fucking believe what just happened...

I don't usually get emotional but this one is really getting to me...

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[–] zephyreks@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

The fuel situation in the Gaza Strip is critical. The health ministry is desperate to source fuel for the hospitals and has issued alerts requesting anyone with even a litre of fuel to get in touch.

A litre of fuel could save lives in Gaza.

Al-Shifa Hospital has already been forced to close some of its departments due to lack of fuel for its emergency generators. Other hospitals have informed us that they will be forced to shut down in the coming hours.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/17/israel-hamas-war-live-anger-after-israeli-strike-kills-500-in-hospital

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Holy shit they got a lot of cope cages lmao

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

MSNBC just said "Residents in Gaza have been drinking salty tap water." They are fucking evil. They know that's hasbara-level bullshit. If there's water at all - it's contaminated.

I posted the following yesterday,

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From an article about water in Gaza.

If fuel and water don't arrive soon, the agency's commissioner general Philippe Lazzarini said, "people will start dying of severe dehydration."

[...]

Its other water sources include desalination plants in the Mediterranean Sea and a subterranean aquifer, drained and damaged from years of overuse. When Israel severed electricity to Gaza, the desalination plants all shut down. So did the wastewater treatment stations.

That has left the entire territory without running water. People buy dwindling jugs from municipal sanitation stations, scour for bottles in supermarkets or drink whatever fetid liquid may dribble out of their pipes.

[...]

Drinking dirty water and poor sanitation due to lack of water can lead to terrible diseases, experts say, including cholera, dysentery, typhoid and polio. For the past week, the water along Gaza's coast tastes like salt, residents say.

Drinking salt water can lead to even more dehydration.

There's a lot more awfulness in the article.

The entire article

Lack of water worsens misery in besieged Gaza as Israeli airstrikes continue | AP News

DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — As Israel pounds the Gaza Strip with airstrikes, Laila Abu Samhadaneh, 65, is anxious about water.

The besieged Gaza Strip's 2.3 million people don't have access to clean, running water after Israel cut off water and electricity to the enclave as it intensifies its air attacks in response to a bloody Hamas attack last week.

The chokehold has seen taps run dry across the territory. When water does trickle from pipes, the meager flow lasts no more than 30 minutes each day and is so contaminated with sewage and seawater that it's undrinkable, residents said.

"I don't know what we're going to do tomorrow," Abu Samhadaneh said from her three-room home in the southern town of Rafah, which turned into a de facto shelter after Israel demanded everyone in Gaza evacuate south. She said she rations just a few liters among dozens of friends and relatives each day. "We're going crazy."

The deprivation has plunged Gaza's population deeper into misery as Israel's bombardment intensifies one week after Hamas fighters surged across Israel's separation fence, killing 1,300 Israelis and abducting dozens. Israel's retaliatory strikes have crushed hundreds of buildings in Gaza and killed more than 2,200 Palestinians.

Even as terrified families flee their homes — squeezing into United Nations shelters or the bloody and chaotic halls of Gaza's biggest hospital in fear for their safety — the desperate search for water remains a constant.

U.N. agencies and aid groups are beseeching Israel to permit emergency deliveries of fuel and other supplies into the Gaza Strip.

"There really can't be a justification for this kind of targeting of civilians," said Miriam Marmur, a spokesperson for Gisha, an Israeli human rights group.

The U.N. Palestinian refugee agency called the water crisis a "matter of life or death."

If fuel and water don't arrive soon, the agency's commissioner general Philippe Lazzarini said, "people will start dying of severe dehydration."

In normal times, the coastal enclave — which has struggled under an Israeli-Egyptian blockade since Hamas seized control of Gaza in 2007 — relies on Israel for one-third of all available drinking water, the territory's water authority says.

Its other water sources include desalination plants in the Mediterranean Sea and a subterranean aquifer, drained and damaged from years of overuse. When Israel severed electricity to Gaza, the desalination plants all shut down. So did the wastewater treatment stations.

That has left the entire territory without running water. People buy dwindling jugs from municipal sanitation stations, scour for bottles in supermarkets or drink whatever fetid liquid may dribble out of their pipes.

Quenching thirst has become more difficult in the past day, even for those with means to shell out for bottled water. It took 35-year-old Noor Swirki two hours on Saturday to find a box of six bottles she will try to stretch throughout the coming days. She took her first shower in a week Saturday, using a cup of polluted tap water and splashing it over her husband and two children before rubbing the remaining moisture on her skin.

"We are here without anything, even the most basic thing," she said, shouting over the persistent noise of crying children in the U.N. shelter in southern Khan Younis, where she sought refuge after an airstrike demolished her Gaza City apartment. "We're worried about our safety in the bombing and now there's this other issue of survival."

She and six other Palestinians interviewed across Gaza said they drink no more than half a liter of water a day. They said they urinate once a day or every other day.

The World Health Organization says that 50 to 100 liters per day per person are needed to ensure proper hydration and sanitation. The U.S. National Academies of Science and Medicine say men need to drink about 3.7 liters (125 ounces) and women need about 2.7 liters (91 ounces) per day to be adequately hydrated.

"It's like we're in the stone ages," said 28-year-old Khalil Abu Yahia in the central town of Deir al-Balah.

Drinking dirty water and poor sanitation due to lack of water can lead to terrible diseases, experts say, including cholera, dysentery, typhoid and polio. For the past week, the water along Gaza's coast tastes like salt, residents say.

Drinking salt water can lead to even more dehydration.

"It tastes bad, it smells bad," said 25-year-old Mohammed Bashir about the tap water in western Gaza City, which is mixed with untreated wastewater and seawater. "But we have no choice. My kids are crying because they're thirsty."

Among the dozens of Palestinians with shrapnel wounds in their legs and arms from airstrikes that Dr. Husom Safiyah treated Saturday in northern Gaza, there were 15 children, including infants, with bacterial dysentery caused by the water shortage, he said.

"The situation is disastrous, and it will become even more so after two or three days," said Safiyah, a physician with MedGlobal, an organization that sends medical teams to disaster regions. He spoke as explosions thundered outside and medics around him rushed to handle the latest influx of victims.

He said he had to go and help them. An airstrike near the Jabaliya refugee camp had just killed at least 27 people, mostly women and children, according to Hamas authorities, and dozens were wounded. When asked how he would clean their wounds, he said that he would use what little tap water they had, even if it was mixed with sewage.

"We have no alternative," he said.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Reports that an IDF unit attempted to storm Khan Yunis but were forced out after coming under overwhelming RPG fire.

If true, this was their first attempt at a ground operation and it was a massive failure.

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago

About 1 million Algerians died in their war for independence. Millions of civilians were killed in the Korean War. The worst is still ahead of us.

[–] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Two young Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces near the city of Ramallah in the occupied West Bank, the Palestinian health ministry has said. Qais Shalash, 18, and Khalil Shalash, 16, were killed in the village of Shuqba, west of Ramallah.

A witness told Al Jazeera that Israeli forces prevented paramedics from evacuating the two men to hospital for at least 20 minutes. The two men were shot in the chest, said Raed al-Khatib, who is in charge of emergency services in the villages west of Ramallah.

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[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It is very dark that some of the proof being used to say Israel didn't bomb the hospital is "Israeli airstrikes cause way more damage"

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[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Shit is happening? Shit is happening.

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[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago (4 children)
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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

so I've always wanted to learn how to make youtube videos, and all the bullshit propaganda recently has inspired me to start learning. I just finished my first one, it's not much but I hope it's kinda funny at least. still lots to learn. rat-salute

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[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (14 children)

Ansrahalla just fired on a US destroyer in the Aden Strait..

Source

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Moon of Alabama piece today: U.S. Deploys Large Force - Eyes On Syria

TLDR:

  • Israel is toast, can be destroyed by Hezbollah and the United States cannot meaningfully respond and definitely not quickly.
  • The United States is not sending its carriers to support Israel necessarily, nor to put pressure specifically on Iran (the United States also would find it very difficult to attack Iran without facing massive retaliation in response across the entire region - regardless of the ultimate victor, it would be an extremely bloody war for both sides)
  • The purpose of the United States' increasing presence, purports b, is instead Syria, in order to deal a geopolitical blow to Russia and topple Assad.
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