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People who joke about legos haven't stepped on this bad boy

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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 5 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

American here. I may be in the minority, but I think this plug design is absolutely stupid. I get that it has safety features, that you can put a fuse in the plug, that the outlets have switches, etc etc etc. But it is absolutely fucking huge. Ridiculously huge. And anywhere that you have multiple devices you want to plug in, it is totally impractical because it is so fucking huge.

The fact is, very very few devices need 240v 13A. Yes I get that it is useful to have this ridiculous amount of power so you can boil your tea kettle in 35 seconds, but other than that very few household appliances need anywhere near that amount of power.

So the result is a cell phone charger, which at the very outside is pulling 20 or 30 watts, is plugged into this giant ridiculous monstrosity capable of supplying 3000+ watts. And in reality the only appliances that use anywhere near that much are cooking appliances and space heaters.

Meanwhile the US NEMA 5-15 is good for 1800 watts, plenty to run almost every household appliance, with the longer ground pin and an appropriate outlet it supports tamper resistance shutters, the thin flat pins resist the insertion of foreign objects into the outlet, and you can fit many outlets in a small space.
And it doesn't destroy your foot when you step on it, as a nice bonus.

[–] wendigolibre@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 hours ago

My understanding is that higher voltages mean that amperage can be lower. There are also gains in transformer efficiency.

[–] SpatchyIsOnline@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Two words: Extension cords

Us extension cords (or power strips or whatever you want to call them) practically catch fire if you look at them wrong. Over here, there's much more leeway for plugging multiple loads into a single socket.

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago

... How is that the case? You're multiple loads end up with a cubic foot of plugs and receptacles. Like imagine I want to plug in a computer, two monitors, a printer, a desk lamp, a cell phone charger, and a laptop plug. None of these devices use more than 100 watts. In UK you need seven of those ridiculous giant plugs for all this. Even with a power strip it would be physically huge.

In the US the power strip that would run all that stuff is barely a foot long.

I have used power strips all my life and never once has one caught fire.

[–] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I've seen a few videos on these and the benifits of european plug design. My only gripe with it is the size. I know it would be a pain because everything is already built for the the current standard, but an updated "micro" plug would be a lot better.

In fact, why doesn't the whole world collaborate on a new plug design that takes the best from both and combines into a 110/220 auto sensing plug. Sadly i don't see that happening any time soon. It's much more likely that USB-C continues to gain ground and becomes the defacto DC power standard for consumers.

[–] alt_xa_23@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)
[–] kieron115@startrek.website 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Fun fact, the only reason North America can get away with our dinky plugs and sockets is because we only run 120V (typically). Anything here that's 240V will have a much beefier plug and socket, more similar to the UK plugs. Heres a 240V/30A and a 240V/50A. These don't bother with the coated pins because it would typically be plugged in once behind a big appliance and never touched again.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 37 points 23 hours ago (15 children)

UK sockets usually have switches on them. There's no need to unplug things when you're not using them.

Also, Lego is a collective noun. Saying legos is exactly like saying sheeps.

[–] bricklove@midwest.social 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Lego vs Legos appears to be another North America vs The rest of the English speaking world thing. A collective noun feels weird to my American ears since they are individual pieces that are countable. It's not a big deal though. I enjoy having different ways of talking.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

they are individual pieces that are countable

So are sheep.

[–] poopkins@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

The word "lego" doesn't originate from before the 15th century—in fact Legos themselves don't go nearly that far back—so the common rules for modern English grammar apply.

[–] soul@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Are you my older sister? She does this to me too.

[–] soul@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

No. Definitely not. But maybe. But most certainly probably no.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Eh, well, in your profile pic you look a lot balder, beardier and purple than she does in her Instagram posts, but it could just be bad lighting I suppose.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

They do some things right in the UK. But does every toilet need to be hidden in a basement labyrinth?

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Oh yes, definitely. Otherwise the Minotaur might escape and frighten the other railway station users when he should be enforcing the unwritten rules of the urinal.

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 2 points 8 hours ago

Which makes it extra amusing to me that they coat the pins or whatever with plastic so you cant accidentally touch live while inserting it.

[–] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Boy I bet youre fun at parties

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 9 points 12 hours ago

The ladies flock to me for my witty pedantic corrections.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 15 hours ago

it's sheeple.

[–] devedeset@lemmy.zip 6 points 21 hours ago

I think the switches are nice but in the modern world you really don't need to unplug a vast majority of things. Even my $30 120V USA space heater shuts itself off if it tips over or gets too hot. My cell phone charger pulls functionally 0W while idling.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 10 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

You clearly haven't stepped on a IC chip

100 pins right in the foot

[–] markz@suppo.fi 5 points 17 hours ago

I have, but it was a foot-safe surface mount package

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[–] Devial@discuss.online 113 points 1 day ago (39 children)

Best plug+receptor design in the world for electrical safety.

Worst plug design in the world for bottom of foot safety.

[–] poopkins@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

There's no UK standard for three-phase and high amperage sockets or plugs. In fact, UK sockets don't support 16A three-phase at all, so if you have higher power needs (for example for EV charging) you're left with having to install a dedicated wall box that uses an entirely different connector than the 3-pin UK plug, BS 1363.

Given this incompatibility, how can you argue that UK sockets are better, for instance, than SN 441011?

To say nothing of how comically giant every appliance plug needs to be, regardless of how low its wattage is?

[–] Devial@discuss.online 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I did notably just say that the plug is the best in the world for electrical safety. I've made no claims of it's usefulness or convenience outside of that.

(( am also unaware of any country on the planet that uses the same plug/connector for general purpose household devices and 3 phase power. The number you provided, SN441011, also just leads to relatively generic household plug that doesn't seem fit suited for multi phase use either, so not sure what you're trying to say. I've also rarely seen places outside of industrial environments that have multiphase outlets, except in America, which has split phase power, and uses the voltage boost by going phase to phase instead of phase to ground. There'll you'll do often find 240V split phase outlets for high power appliances like shop heaters, electric clothes driers or EVSE, but those outlets also require unique receptacles and plugs))

E: I believe I misunderstood exactly what you meant. You're complaining that UK electric code has nonstandard for a high power plug+socket combination. For one, that though has nothing at all to do with this plug. A lack of standard for a completely different plug has nothing to do with the quality of the plug at hand.

Also, there actually IS a standard, that is specifically adopted for EVSE in the UK. You can have a dedicated 400V three phase 32A circuit installed in your garage, and terminate in a red IEC 60309.

It's not that the standard doesn't exist, it's just the UK has a very very heavy preference for simply hard wiring high power and multiphase appliances.

To say nothing of how comically giant every appliance plug needs to be, regardless of how low its wattage is?

It's a minor nuisance yeah sure, but it also has the nice advantage that there's no need to fully mould plastic around it. UK plugs are pretty much universally openable, meaning you can repair them yourself if a fuse dies, or one of the wires comes lose. It's also really easy, and literally all you need is a single screw driver, to swap a working plug over onto a cable who's plug has broken.

But even so, it's again not a safety issue so not exactly relevant to my poing.

[–] poopkins@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

By this logic, a potato is the best in terms of electrical safety. That's of course tongue in cheek, but if we're reducing plug capabilities in the interest of calling them safe, USB-A 1.0 is the "safest" because it only outputs 5V at 3A.

I'm sure I don't need to point out how the plug is part of a broader electrical system and forms an integral part of it. Excusing the plug from an entire host of applications by stating that a different standard solves for that is the very point of my comment.

SN441011 is the Swiss system that through its 2-, 3- and 5-pin design supports single- and three-phase for up to 11 kW in domestic applications.

As an aide, regarding fuses in UK plugs: Putting the onus of electrical safety on the user for home repairs with a screwdriver is, in my opinion, inherently unsafe, especially when there's no safe backup through a circuit breaker. Imagine an impatient user replaces a burnt fuse with a piece of aluminum foil.

[–] danny3892@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago

Impossible to plug small plug into big power. I see no problems.

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[–] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What a weird sex toy, what shapes are British anuses?!

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