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[–] Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

According to the CDC, 1 in 5 women are mistreated during maternity care in the US. 1 in 3 if you're Black or Hispanic. 45% of pregnant women are held back from asking questions or sharing concerns.

Birthing mothers are frequently deprived of self-agency. When a woman gives birth, everyone starts assuming they know what's best for her without ever asking for her opinion or consent.

If you know about the husband stitch, or how women are made give birth while reclined for the doctor's convenience, or how frequently women's complaints of abnormal pain are dismissed, or how often women are yelled at while in labour, or they are threatened and withheld treatment, or how little their privacy is respected, you would know why women are turning to home births.

This isn't an issue of women being silly and brainwashed on social media. Women are being actively failed by a medical system that refuses to treat them like people and not just walking uteruses.

Everyone like to talk about how stupid women are dying in childbirth to preventable causes, and yet no one wants to talk about how suicide due to post-partum depression is a leading cause of death in the perinatal period.

So before you belittle women for choosing a home birth, ask them what kind of shit they have been through at a hospital that they would rather risk death than go back there again.

[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Absolutely wild ride of an article. Unusually long for The Guardian, but totally worth the read, regardless of your personal interest in birthing methods. Went in expecting medical woohoo beliefs, left with a better understanding of the growth and formation of radical online movements. Make sure to read to the end!

Currently anticipating the inevitable sequel once they get hit with manslaughter charges.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

There have been midwives in Australia prosecuted for not transferring to hospital, and this lunatic woman in Canada who was dismissed from practice but still attends births, and recently a baby she attended died. I kind of get it in the US simply because of lack of public health care probably driving this due to cost, but in countries with public health care and so many midwife options it's insane. I'm glad finally someone is shining a light on this, perhaps it'll save some babies. A nurse on the medicine subreddit once said she had seen complications and deaths from home birth and freebirth that are in the triple digits.

Even when they do successfully get baby out, there's SO much they don't know, and when they take them to ER because baby is breathing funny (because their lungs are wet) or came out stunned or they didn't wrap them up warmly and now they're cold, or they turn blue because mom has untreated gestational diabetes and their sugar has crashed or whatever. It can be temporary but it's just so not necessary.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 13 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

A maternity ward head nurse used to frequent the bar I used to work.

Her stories convinced me that childbirth is not a trivial matter and there's quite a lot that can go wrong where assistance of a seasoned nurse is essential.

Most of the times everything goes well, but there's very specific rare things that can go wrong that are very dangerous for mother and child.

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

Giving birth is the final act in one of the nost extreme thing that the human body can do. It is not a medical procedure, but it can devolve into one in so many ways, that medical awareness will save lives.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

And it goes wrong SO FAST. You couldn't convince me to birth anywhere but a large tertiary care hospital with the stories I've read and heard and seen. Wouldn't even get an ultrasound at a smaller hospital. I've seen a couple of things missed that ended up with difficult consequences, and I think it was the quality of the ultrasound.

Also, listen to your care providers. If they say you need the glucose challenge do it, if you have gestational diabetes listen carefully to the advice, if they say you need to be induced they aren't saying that lightly, a placenta ages like milk and your baby WILL die if you go overdue. Don't listen to people on the Internet about vitamin K and vaccines and all that crap, they are recommended with good reason, and you don't want a baby with a bleed with permanent consequences.

I want everyone to have a peaceful successful uncomplicated birth, but be prepared for anything to happen. Don't gamble with your baby's life for what some jackass on Facebook says. They're idiots.

[–] FellowEnt@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Isn't going overdue super common and not necessarily anything to worry about, saying your baby WILL die if you go overdue seems wild to me.

[–] Ifera@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

It is common, to a point. And part of why it is seems as not necessarily something to worry about is due to the widespread intervention of medical professionals requesting the patients to be induced.

There are far too many variables in placental health and viability, and the risk increase after the 42nd week is SHARP. Plus, we don't have the technology required to live monitor the placental health closely enough to take chances.

So, it is a lot like measles and polio, we don't think much of them because of how prevalent immunization has become, but if we lower the protocols, that is when death counts start rising fast.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Common, but if your placenta stops working baby is gone.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

We've had two kids.

The first one was in a major birthing hospital, huge building that pretty much did only maternal/ob&gyn/neonatal.

The second one was a small suburban network hospital.

Without a doubt, hands down, no questions, even if we were in the parking lot of the other when she went into labor...we would choose the second one.

The first one literally treated us like we were buying a car. Just, constantly upselling us everywhere. Talked her into an unnecessary C-section because he had a large head and shoulders. Treated us like bad parents when she struggled with breastfeeding (seriously, the breast-is-best folks, and the LLL, can all get fucked).

The second one...the kid was trending larger and they were incredibly supportive of a VBAC. Which went very well.

All this to say...I really do not get surprised when people get skeptical of the medical industrial complex. In this particular instance, they did it to themselves. And of course that has rippling effects in other healthcare (i.e. vaccination).

Bonus story, A year or so after the birth of our second, my wife met a woman with two little kids at a COVID playgroup (like, an outdoor playgroup during COVID...not like a pox party), the same age as ours.

Over time they (and our kids) became best friends. We come to realize and piece stories together...she was one of the overnight maternity nurses taking care of us with our second.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago

Glad you explained that COVID playground. I was about to be even more dejected about humans.

[–] SoloCritical@lemmy.world 22 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

This is one of those situations where China has (in my opinion) nailed it. It is against the law for any influencer to post content about things like law, medicine, finance or education without having a degree in said field. Not a doctor? Stfu about free births and vaccines.

I wish I lived in a society thats values truth more than the indivudial right to say whatever you want for any reason. And if that reason is profit, then you'll never get in even the slightest trouble.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

That's actually a great idea. Why should any asshole just get to make shit up and influence people to make bad decisions?

Although those fuckers at Facebook and the like could do their jobs and actually moderate too.

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 29 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

For $299, she joined FBS’s paid-for, private online community, the Lighthouse, where she met the three friends in the room when Esau was born. To prepare for her freebirth, she purchased The Complete Guide to Freebirth in May 2022 for $399 – a vast sum to the then 23-year-old nanny.

…aaand there it is.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

I think part of the culprit for this trend is the fact that Americans have to pay for maternity care, which is stupid (paying privately for any health care is also stupid). This makes them shop around and get sucked into this.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 75 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's almost like you shouldn't take health advice from an influencer.

[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But their username seemed so trustworthy!

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 day ago

They told me what I wanted to hear. And they're so chrasimatic!

[–] camdog2000@ttrpg.network 8 points 1 day ago

The real issue is they already have a following.

It's much easier for people to believe something if it looks like other people believe it.

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

No problem. Just bring those concerns forward to the College of Internet Influencers, and have their license to practice Internet Health Advice pulled.

Then go after the malpractice insurance money that the College of Internet Influencers make influencers renew every year, in order to practice internet influencing in a legal and regulated manner, to protect the public.

At least that's how it works for actual regulated Healthcare professionals.

[–] SereneSadie@quokk.au 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There's definitely a problem with doctors who treat mothers as an obstacle to the process of birth, and belittle and humiliate them through the whole ordeal.

Going cold turkey on all medical assistance in response is insane. But frankly I have a hard time believing that the American medical system especially will work to fix things quickly from their end.

The real solution is getting more people back in the field, and more importantly, purging the misogynistic shit that is rampant amongst medical professionals. And this extends well beyond childbirth too of course, its just the most prevalent pressure point next to failure to diagnose cancer.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 11 hours ago

This. I started reading this article thinking "what a bunch of idiots" but then they describes how horribly women are treated in hospitals during childbirths and it's clearly more desperation than following a fad. It's still insane but I do understand how someone traumatized by the system will grasp and any "solution" offered to them. People pushing this should end up in jail though.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I think some of it is access to care too; some women in the US do this simply because of the cost of a midwife or doctor, it seems.

But also in Canada we have WAY higher standards for who can call themselves a midwife than they do in the US, and the midwives here have university degrees. Also, I think people here and other countries who have public health care seek help faster than Americans simply because cost isn't a barrier, even if they do get sucked into this nonsense.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

Science isn't out to get you. Trust people who are more informed than you are (still think critically, though)