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Source: President Mahmoud Abbas cancels planned meeting with President Biden after hospital strike (apnews.com)
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[–] b3an@lemmy.world 66 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ambulances and private cars rushed some 350 casualties from the al-Ahli blast to Gaza City’s main hospital, al-Shifa, already overwhelmed with wounded from other strikes, said its director, Mohammed Abu Selmia. The wounded were laid onto bloody floors, screaming in pain.

“We are squeezing five beds into a single tiny room. We need equipment, we need medicine, we need beds, we need anesthesia, we need everything,” Abu Selmia said, warning that the fuel supply for the hospital’s generators will run out Wednesday. “I think Gaza’s medical sector will collapse within hours.”

This is heart wrenching and sickening.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 55 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The sheer gall to bomb a hospital. Fucking sick. I’ll be calling all my representatives tonight to ask them if they really want to continue to enable these war criminals with military aid. The inhumanity is exhausting

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They know they fucked up. That's why they're spreading FUD about it being a Hamas rocket or a Hamas HQ or whatever.

[–] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Spoiler: if they have an R next to their name, they most certainly do.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Not since I moved thankfully

[–] blunderworld@lemmy.ca 55 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Assuming Israel is responsible, they have a lot of nerve calling anyone else a terrorist.

[–] Peaty@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nation states commit acts of war not acts of terror. If you think about it any act you would call terrorism would also be causus belli.

[–] Skates@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nation states

Personally, I don't recognize the 1948 decision to create this nation state out of thin air, displacing an already existing nation and illegally seizing their land. So I'm cool to keep talking about it as a terrorist organization, yeah? Okay, thanks.

[–] Guydht@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Don't recognize it? There are 9 million people living in it, and worldwide recognition. Also the 48 decision was UN backed, meaning the nations of the world think otherwise. Jeez, you can not like someone while still admitting their existence.

[–] Skates@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Why do you equate Jewish people with Israel? That's a zionist stance, not a Jewish stance. Of course Jewish people exist - but let's not be arrogant enough to define a group of people by their one common characteristic and lump them all in together into one state, yeah?

I have no issues with Jewish people. At least not with those living outside Israel - those who moved there willingly did so at the expense of their own morals (provided they already had a good home somewhere else), as they knew they are displacing an existing culture. I do have some issues with:

  1. The creation of Israel, done by lobbying the correct people with the correct incentives (the promise of keeping Muslims in the region at bay, and of being a trade partner for the backers), without any claim on the land - you know, as opposed to the people actually fucking living there at the time

  2. Rich people exploiting the situation of Palestine pre-1948 to get richer. Also post-1948, let's not act like selling arms to the Israeli slaughterhouse to continue their genocide on Muslims isn't profitable for some immoral fucks.

  3. The ethnic cleansing that's been going on in Palestine over the last 70 years

  4. Governments of the world pretending human lives don't matter and that regions of land don't belong to the people inhabiting them (and who have done so for generations).

  5. Appealing to those governments to form your opinion. The UN doesn't recognize Taiwan. Wanna stroke their dicks for it, or can we agree some massive conglomerate of rich and powerful old cunts that trade in blood don't really constitute a proper standard of morality?

  6. Establishing a state based on a religion. I like the division of church and state, I think it's a good thing.

And so many others that I don't have the energy to type, as this is really not a black and white subject, but it's for sure not as gray as it's being painted. It's just another government installed in a region by external influences with superior firepower, with no rhyme or reason other than making money, like so many others in the world.

At the end of the day, this is my own opinion and the world as a whole doesn't seem to agree - especially since the people in charge don't really care if others agree or not, and since it's not a hot topic or something that impacts us daily, there will never be the type of mass protests necessary to stop funding this terrorist organization. And I'll probably die with this opinion, and nothing will change. In the meanwhile, what the fuck is your excuse for buying into the propaganda and supporting the 70 years of slaughter of a group of people?

[–] Guydht@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Firstly, where did I mention jews? Israel have non-jews in it. But it's a valid point, Israel is a jewish point - a home for the jews after the Holocaust - which 100% needed to happen since they're persecuted all over the world. Even if you have no problem with jews, muslim states and nazis do.

Secondly, you shift all the blame of the situation on Israel, while they do have lots to blame for, so does the Palestinian leadership. They're the ones teaching hate speech in schools, promoting violence against civilians, and not looking for a peaceful resolution benefitting their people.

Thirdly, yes Israel likes being jewish and is working hard to keep being jewish, but that's their whole shtick. Does anybody blame Jordan or Egypt for being muslim by law? I certainly don't hear them as much as Israeli protestors. Which again further solidifies the need for a jewish state - there isn't a safe place for jews in this world but that state. Wanting to take that away is just wrong.

Also, I'd like you to keep in mind a simple point. How would arabs live under Israeli law (you can see examples in Israel right now - they have human rights) vs. how would jews live under Palestinian law (hint: they won't). Yes, it's wrong keeping gaza and the west bank under military power, but tbh what else can Israel do when suicide bombers arrive every day (and get praised heavily for it). The only solution is 2 states. Now after what Hamas did, I super doubt it is an option, and probably a total occupation of the land is eminent. Extremism brings extremism, and what Hamas did will make everything worse. That attack worsened the status quo, in the worst possible direction.

[–] xdr@lemmynsfw.com 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can anyone here explain what moral right does USA have here to come in an intervene on side of Israel at the same time threatening Iran from taking side of Palestine? Now that a hospital with over 500 deaths have been made by Israel. Wouldn't.... That fall on hands of USA too since they brought their warships nearby and thousands of troops at the ready?

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

We don't regardless of whose fault the hospital was

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Story has been updated:

KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip (AP) — The Israeli military says it had no involvement in an explosion that killed hundreds of people at a Gaza City hospital and that the blast was caused by a misfired Palestinian rocket.

The Hamas-run Health Ministry in Gaza says an Israeli airstrike caused the blast, and that it killed some 500 people, many of whom had sought shelter from an ongoing Israeli offensive.

The Israeli military, however, said Palestinian militants had fired a barrage of rockets near the hospital at the time.

[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The Guardian mentioned that this much damage with one rocket would likely go above the usual capabilities of Hamas.

Not saying that it couldn't be that, but certainly something to consider.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Wasn’t fired from Hamas, problem solved

There is more than two players here

[–] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

On the one hand, bombing a hospital is pretty brazen even for Israel, especially as your most important ally is en route for a visit, and the explanation of a Hamas rocket going astray does seem plausible. On the other hand, I'm not inclined to trust the word of a country that has proudly cut off food and water for 2.2 million people for over a week now. You don't get the benefit of the doubt when your actively committing war crimes. Also it may not have been intentional, a IDF pilot could have just missed a target or gone rogue. I'm sure no UN inspectors will ever be let in to examine the scene to make a determination, so we'll probably never know the truth. It probably doesn't matter much, the dead are dead either way, the grieving families will grieve either way, and all sides of the conflict will believe what they want to further their political ends, including Hezbollah using potentially using this as a justification for a broader conflict. It's just tragedy on top of tragedy.

[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Israel bombed a Palestinian hospital in 2014, what was their initial response?

The Israeli military denied initial reports that its forces were responsible for the strikes, saying instead that the bombing was the result of rockets misfired by Palestinian militants — while Hamas cast blame back at Israel.

Sound familiar?

Shocker, it came out that they did in fact bomb the hospital and killed children. Israel will always blame Palestine for its mistakes.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

So we’re calling a mid-air exploded rocket a bomb now?

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Photos purportedly from al-Ahli Hospital shared widely on social video showed fire engulfing the building, widespread damage and bodies scattered in the wreckage.

Hamas, which sparked the latest war with an attack last week that killed more than 1,400 Israelis, called Tuesday’s hospital strike “a horrific massacre.” It said in a statement that most of the casualties were displaced families, patients, children and women.

With Israel barring entry of water, fuel and food into Gaza since Hamas’ brutal attack last week, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken secured an agreement with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to discuss creation of a mechanism for delivering aid to the territory’s 2.3 million people.

“The return of the hostages, which is sacred in our eyes, is a key component in any humanitarian efforts,” he told reporters, without elaborating whether Israel was demanding the release of all of the roughly 200 people Hamas abducted before allowing supplies in.

A barrage of strikes crashed into the Bureij refugee camp in central Gaza, leveling an entire block of homes and causing dozens of casualties among families inside, residents said.

Associated Press journalists Amy Teibel in Jerusalem; Abby Sewell in Beirut; Samy Magdy and Jack Jeffrey in Cairo; and Ashraf Sweilam in el-Arish, Egypt contributed to this report.

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[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All aid, except medical help for their own injured, to israel should be stopped in return to the hospital strike. But it wont happen because the US likes to strike hospitals as well.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I’d like to see you prove it was an Israeli strike first. Fuck netanyahoo the war criminal but it’s wild how sure everyone is based on fuck all