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[–] D1re_W0lf@piefed.world 81 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

That remind me of this.

(Credits in the image)

[–] infinite_goop@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

I just see Nyan Cat

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Hmm, why did the proto-I turn into Z and the proto-Z turn into I? And why did proto-φ not turn into Φ? I do love this graphic though!

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

As written language spread through existing spoken languages, changes are made to match the spoken sounds and languages that have different pronunciation requirements repurpose, drop, create, or modify characters to fit their phonetic needs.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago

Pour one out for the homies we lost along the way

⨂ 𐤎 ʍ ϕ ⲯ

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

But how did the V become a U?

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Pronunciation evolution differentiated U and V more and people started differentiating that with an extra sign. As in, the Roman V was pronounced kinda like both and not like today's V - the Roman symbol V is not the modern letter V. You may notice that modern media about ancient Rome have been making Vs sound more like Us.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 16 hours ago

It looks like V became U, V, & W

[–] Tabooki@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Notice there was no letter J around the time of Jesus. Hrmmm 😆

[–] criticon@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's why some crosses have "INRI" written: Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum

[–] Tabooki@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The name "Jesus" comes from the Greek Iēsous, which is a transliteration of the Hebrew name Yeshua (or sometimes the longer form, Yehoshua), meaning "Yahweh saves."

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

“Yahweh saves.”

... so Jesus is basically "God Saves" so "Jesus Saves" is just "God Saves Saves"?

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Hence Iesus Nazarenus in Latin.

[–] Jarme@jlai.lu 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Any reason why Romans mirrored some letters ?

[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was likely caused by the transition from right-to-left to left-to-right writing

So basically, while Egyptian hieroglyphs didn't have a specific writing direction, boustrophedon was a very common system, where you'd start writing in one direction, and then switch direction on the next line (so the first letter of the second line is right under the last letter of the first line).

The Phonecian script, however, started to stick to right-to-left for writing. When the greeks first adapted the Phonecian alphabet for the Greek language, they wrote in right-to-left and boustrophedon. When writing boustrophedon, they would flip the letters to match the writing direction. When left to right started to gain popularity, the flipped letters were used, and left-to-right is now what is used in the Greek alphabet and its descendants.

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And why did they swap I and Z?

[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Z was temporarily removed from the latin alphabet, and when it was readded, it was added to the end

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

"Yeah, we're taking a break from Z, we'll see how things work out"

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago
[–] pacmondo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

Sometimes, you just gotta go for style points.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hm. Wonder why the Romans “flipped” the letters.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

Easier to read in your rear view

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

My guess would be it's easier to write quickly like that when you write left to right.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Anybody else find it weird how the letter forms changed a bunch in BC and then hardly at all in CE?

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

Maybe because at that point the Roman Empire controlled most of that part of the world? Also maybe literacy was increasing, requiring more consistency? Then as the Roman Empire declined centuries later different cultures only iterated in their own language? Just some guesses.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You’d think that would have become mu.

( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)

[–] TRBoom@lemmy.zip 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] arctanthrope@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

aurochs is the singular. aurochsen is plural. notice the similarity to ox/oxen

[–] saltnotsugar@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

(Me silently crossing out “A Cow”)

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago

Its a moo point what variety of bovine it is.

[–] ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is there a meme like this for Kanji being derived from chinese characters

[–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

It's the same thing though. Basically there are traditional characters, used in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapour, and others, and Japan simplified the characters in 1945, then China simplified theirs, but in another way.

A better comparison would be the hiragana and katakana being derived from kanji.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago

The Greek was sneaking a look from across the table .... which is why they reoriented the symbol

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Major missed opportunity not making Canaanite and Greek head be turned a different angle

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 9 points 1 day ago

"What's wrong with your spelling, man? Everyone knows 'aardvark' starts with 'bull's head'."

[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

At first, I thought this was going to be about constructing the cardinal numbers ℵ~1~, ℵ~2~, ℵ~3~ ...

[–] dellish@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Up next: Mamdani is forcing schools to teach Islamic, Egyptian letters!

[–] oeuf@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago

This is a good one