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[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 hours ago

We need laws passed where AI should have to be clearly labeled or the user faces severe fines. Robo calls and AI IVR phone systems should clearly tell you "this is AI".

[–] krakenx@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Use of AI should be disclosed the same way 3rd party DRM and EULA agreements are. And similarly it should mention some details. People are free to boycott Denuvo if they want, but people are also free to buy it anyways if they want. Disclosure is never a bad thing.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 12 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Extremely common Valve W

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 17 hours ago

The thing is that it's kind of voluntary. Game developers could have use AI to develop the game and if they wouldn't want to disclose it no one would know.

Unless the use of AI is the very crappy "AI art" that's easy to notice the rest of uses would be very hard or actually impossible to figure it out to audit the legitimacy of the tag.

And this will end like r/art where the mods deleted a post accusing the artist of using AI when it was not AI and the final mod answer was "change your art style so it doesn't look like AI". A brutal witch-hunt in the end.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 51 points 1 day ago

Corporations are not our friends, even when they seem friendly, like Steam. However, they can be useful allies, so I'm glad to see this response from Steam.

[–] QuantumTickle@lemmy.zip 190 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If "everyone will be using AI" and it's not a bad thing, then these big companies should wear it as a badge of honor. The rest of us will buy accordingly.

[–] Devial@discuss.online 57 points 1 day ago (8 children)

If "everyone will be using AI", AI will turn to shit.

They can't create originality, they're only recycling and recontextualising existing information. But if you recycle and recontextualise the same information over and over again, it keeps degrading more and more.

It's ironic that the very people who advocate for AI everywhere, fail to realise just how dependent the quality of AI content is on having real, human generated content to input to train the model.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“The people who advocate for AI” are literally running around claiming that AI is Jesus and it is sacrilege to stand against it.

And by literally, I mean Peter Thiel is giving talks actually claiming this. This is not an exaggeration, this is not hyperbole.

They are trying to recruit techno-cultists.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ironically, one of the defining features of the techno-cultists in Warhammer 40k is that they changed the acronym to mean "Abominable Intelligence" and not a single machine runs on anything more advanced than a calculator.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Sci Fi keeps trying to teach us lessons, and instead we keep using it as an instruction manual.

(Except, apparently, whenever it’s on the nose we interpret it as dramatic irony…)

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[–] Carighan@piefed.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wish they'd replace Tim Sweeney with AI. Would genuinely have better takes on most topics, too. Sigh.

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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

Consumers have a right to be informed of information relevant to them making purchasing decisions. AI is obviously relevant to the consumer and should be disclosed.

[–] twinnie@feddit.uk 139 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They don’t need to court developers, they need to court consumers. The games will be sold wherever people are buying.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Consumers have already decided mobile gambling slop is the most successful investment in the gaming industry. I don‘t trust consumers to know what‘s best for them.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think the studies showing how certain minds can be targeted and manipulated by dark gambling patterns made me think differently about gambling. I'm less likely to blame the victims now - in many ways it can be difficult or near-impossible for them to control those impulses. I’d at least like lootbox gambling slop to be regulated the same as casinos.

Look how popular fantasy sports is now. It’s basically just the casino industry seeking out new avenues to cheat the definition of “Playing odds to win cash”.

[–] Carighan@piefed.world 8 points 1 day ago

Yeah that shit is like selling heroine specifically to vulnerable people in depressing phases of their life. But wth gambling ads and dark patterns in video games we somehow accept it. 😕

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 day ago

Well yeah gambling is addicting, the mobile slop companies know that so they try to get people addicted to it. It’s really sad what’s happened to the mobile gaming space, as it’s so heavily dominated by gambling. Hell the entire world is being run over by gambling companies now. It’s a major problem that will have to be addressed at some point soon.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (6 children)

consumers

This is very much a pet peeve, but be careful about how you use "consumer" versus "customer". They each imply completely different power dynamics.

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[–] who@feddit.org 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Calls to scrap" the disclosures make it sound like a societal movement, when in fact it's just two people with obvious bias: Tim Sweeney and some guy who promotes Tim Sweeney's products on youtube.

I don't give a flying frog what they think. When I allow someone to sell me something, I like to know what's in it.

[–] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Man I use AI a lot and I'm not even going to dispute that lol. It's absolutely true.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yah the more I use AI the more I can detect the absolute bullshit people on both sides spew.

It's the most amazingly complicated averaging machine we've ever invented. It will take the most interesting source materials, the most unique ideas of other people, the most creative materials, and it will find a way to find the safest, most average common qualities between those things. This isn't a model problem or input problem, it's fundamental to how generative AI works.

It helps with searching for things online, it helps create guide plans for taking on new tasks like learning some new skill. It's far better at teaching how to do something like coding than it is left to just code on its own and you copy and paste. It can certainly do that, but you spend so much time correcting it and fixing it that you do far better learning the code yourself and how it works.

Same with art, the people who are using it to best effect are themselves already artists and they use AI to thumbnail compositions or rough layouts, color tests and such, and then just do the work themselves but faster because they already know roughly what direction they're going.

But using it to write your scripts, to copy/paste code, to generate works of art... it's literally just giving you other people's ideas mashed together and unseasoned.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm not even opposed to AI in games. I'd love to see more granulated disclosures, but Steam-style disclosure should be the bare minimum.

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm glad for those disclosures (because I'm not touching AI games), but tons of devs don't disclose their AI usage, even in obvious cases, leaving us to guessing :/

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[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 1 day ago (8 children)

The reality is, that it’s often stated that generative AI is an inevitability, that regardless of how people feel about it, it’s going to happen and become ubiquitous in every facet of our lives.

That’s only true if it turns out to be worth it. If the cost of using it is lower than the alternative, and the market willing to buy it is the same. If the current cloud hosted tools cease to be massively subsidized, and consumers choose to avoid it, then it’s inevitably a historical footnote, like turbine powered cars, Web 3.0, and laser disk.

Those heavily invested in it, ether literally through shares of Nvidia, or figuratively through the potential to deskill and shift power away from skilled workers at their companies don’t want that to be a possibility, they need to prevent consumers from having a choice.

If it was an inevitability in it’s own right, if it was just as good and easily substitutable, why would they care about consumers knowing before they payed for it?

[–] U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 48 points 1 day ago

relevant article https://www.theringer.com/2025/11/04/tech/ai-bubble-burst-popping-explained-collapse-or-not-chatgpt

AI storytelling is an amalgam of several different narratives, including:

Inevitability: AI is the future; its eventual supremacy is both imminent and certain, and therefore anyone who doesn’t want to be left behind had better embrace the technology. See Jensen Huang, the CEO of Nvidia, insisting earlier this year that every job in the world will be impacted by AI “immediately.”

Functionality: AI performs miracles, and the AI products that have been released to the public wildly outperform the products they aim to replace. To believe this requires us to ignore the evidence obtained with our own eyes and ears, which tells us in many cases that the products barely work at all, but it’s the premise of every TV ad you watch out of the corner of your eye during a sports telecast.

Grandiosity: The world will never be the same; AI will change everything. This is the biggest and most important story AI companies tell, and as with the other two narratives, big tech seems determined to repeat it so insistently that we come to believe it without looking for any evidence that it’s true.

As far as I can make out, the scheme is essentially: Keep the ship floating for as long as possible, keep inhaling as much capital as possible, and maybe the tech will get somewhere that justifies the absurd valuations, or maybe we’ll worm our way so far into the government that it’ll have to bail us out, or maybe some other paradigm-altering development will fall from the sky. And the way to keep the ship floating is to keep peddling the vision and to seem more confident that the dream is inevitable the less it appears to be coming true.

speaking for myself, MS can thank AI for being the thing that made me finally completely ditch windows after using it 30+ years

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

Don’t forget, “Turns out it was a losing bet to back DEI and Trans people”.

This is something scared, pathetic, loser, feral, spineless, sociopathic, moronic fascists come up with to try to win a crowd larger than an elevator; Assume the outcome as a foregone conclusion and try to talk around it, or claim it’s already happened.

Respond directly. “What? That’s ridiculous. I’ve never even seen ANY AI that I liked. Who told you it was going to pervade everything?”

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 16 points 1 day ago

That reminds me how McDonald's and other gaat food chains are struggling. People figure it's too expensive for what you get after prices going up and quality going down for years. They forgot that people buy if the price and quality are good. Same with AI. It's all fun if it's free or dirt cheap, but people don't buy expensive slop.

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[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

The ethics and utility (or lack thereof) of AI is an important discussion in it's own right. In terms of Steam though, I really don't think it's relevant. Players want the disclosures, that's it, that's all that should really matter. Am I missing some nuance here?

[–] borth@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 day ago

The nuance is that Tim doesn't give a shit what players want, him and his cronies don't want it because it's harder to convince someone to play AI slop when they know it's AI slop before they even try it 😂

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It might make players demand lower prices if some cheap AI slop is used in the game. That's the thing publishers want to avoid. They want to sell cheap slop for full price and pocket the difference. That's what it's about in the end.

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[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They want it? I don't know, the review score of Black Ops 7 begs to differ.

Personally I'll give money to a hard working indie dev that may use AI to help in their work spiradically over a big company shoving AI in everything to replace workers.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Perhaps they meant players want AI disclosures.

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh yes that is what I meant. Edited for clarity.

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[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 day ago

It's all they had to say for me to continue ignoring Epic.

....what calls? No one is calling for this. One dude said it was unnecessary. That's not a call, it's an opinion. He's not out picketing for the end of fucking AI labels.

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