Whenever people go, "This is fucked up. Kidnapping people."
Some asshole always replies, "Well what about what X is doing?"
Get ready.
this post was submitted on 18 Oct 2023
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Yes. Whataboutism is what trolls and bad faith players use to detract. Don't let them. Don't even engage. Just downvote and move on.
"Your side is kidnapping people, it's fucked up."
"So is yours."
"WHATABOUTISM, DOWNVOTED."
Yeah that's the level of communication I expected.
I'm not talking about people engaging in an actual discussion. That's not what "whataboutism" is. Whataboutism is a tool. Its in the playbook from actual troll farms. It's meant to detract and sow discontent.
"Well what about what x is doing" is what OP said and you agreed as if the phrase itself can't be used meaningfully in discussion. Whataboutisms are to distract by changing the topic to something unrelated but the only people changing the topic are those who are pro Palestine trying to illustrate Israel's wrongdoings which led to the acts you and others condemn.
then some asshole replies
That was what prompted the whataboutism thought. I assumed my words and intent were clear, but I guess not from your reply
Whataboutisms are to distract by changing the topic to something unrelated
Yes. That's why I said bad faith actors. They aren't interested in actual discussion.
but the only people changing the topic are those who are pro Palestine trying to illustrate Israel's wrongdoings which led to the acts you and others condemn.
I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. The only people I am condemning are those who are not here for actual discussion. Hence my entire point.
Two things can be messed up at once. There's hope yet for the safe release of the hostages if Israel and America are willing to cooperate and openly communicate with Hamas officials. Bombing hospitals hasn't done much to stabilize things in the region or progress talks with regards to releasing the hostages. Israel must commit to a ceasefire, and must co-operate firstly with red cross and the UN, secondly with Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran to prevent this from escalating into a war on multiple fronts. Everyone wants the hostages to be released safely.
Still sticking to the Israeli air strike story huh? Nice, makes it clear how objective you are
And even more violence could have been prevented if Hamas had cooperated and openly communicated with Israel before they attacked and took hostages. /s
I'm really curios what real Palestinians think about their government which is led by a terrorist group.
They live in an open air prison, would you be surprised if most of them support those lunatics?
They live in a city, not an open air prison.
I think they are scared shitless
50% of the people living in gaza are children. So they probably dont think much about their ideal government
What worries me is what they're learning as children. Indoctrination is a powerful and despicable tool. I heard, but cannot verify, that Hamas shows radicalizing cartoons to them. It certainly seems likely that they are influenced to see Hamas favorably.
So even if they do support Hamas, they've been brainwashed into it, and their daily reality reinforces it. This doesn't excuse anything at all but man. I just want those kids to have a peaceful life, free of hate and free from attacks. They need to be hugged and deprogrammed.
This situation has been going on for 18 years. 50% of the population doesn't know everything else in their lives. From their point of view, they are fully justified to hate Israel, without the help of any doctrine, religion or anything else - and they can do so without shame.
Gaza's children already lost. It's too late for them to experience a life without fear or not being hungry. They were raised in a vacuum and have no reference of anything else in life.
Fuck everything happening around the only ones, that really didn't have the slightest chance in life, of not living there.
Palestine is unfortunately considered as a tool by the east through Iran to pressure the west by threating Israel.
The west usually leverage this pressure to bomb Palestine and gain more ground to build settlements.
After years of suffering, some palestinains would rather die defending their homeland.
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It's not like they have a choice about their government. There's no voting and hasn't been for decades.
No true Scotsman eh?
The Palestinian Authority is the government Israel allows Palestinians to have. Are you calling Israel a terrorist group?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Speaking into the camera, Schem, who looks pale, but is sitting up straight with her head held high, says she was injured and taken to Gaza, then pleads to be returned to her family.
Speaking to reporters on Tuesday in Tel Aviv, Schem’s mother urged the government and world leaders to bring her daughter back home.
Holding a picture of her daughter, Keren Scharf Schem said: “I am begging the world to bring my baby back home, she only went to a festival party to have some fun and now she is in Gaza and she is not the only one.”
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said in a statement that it had informed Schem’s family about her kidnapping last week and are keeping in touch with them at this time.
IDF spokesperson Maj. Libby Weiss told CNN on Tuesday that the release of the video was “another way by Hamas to wage a psychological war” on civilian population of Israel.
Schem was kidnapped from the Nova festival near the Gaza Strip after Hamas fighters launched a terror attack last Saturday that so far killed at least 1,400 people.
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