You can pretty much feel the anger from each of his replies, he's getting shit on and can't handle it. What an absolute clown
this post was submitted on 09 Jun 2023
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All what, 13 of them? And still going after the Apollo developer, who seems to have laid himself bare. Weird.
This is making our switch to Lemmy feel quite justified, isn't it? Although even if Reddit was still in good shape I think the potential of a decentralized platform is much better. I probably would have migrated here whether this shitstorm happened or not.
Unfortunately we may just be jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire. The developers (and moderators of this instance) are unapologetic authoritarians, and on their own instance they ban people for criticizing authoritarian governments. Take a look at this post from their own reddit account in regards to Tiananmen Square.
I want the fediverse to succeed. I love the idea of a less centrally-controlled approach to social media, because we've all seen the problems that can create. But I'm worried that the influence of authoritarian-leaning developers could be a serious problem.
Why would that be a serious problem? The code is open and it can be hosted by anyone. The moderators of a single instance are nearly meaningless to a federated system. That's the whole point.
To put it another way, what problems do you think the devs being tankies might cause?
On the main instance they've banned a few accounts for comments about human rights abuses in authoritarian-left governments. But it's true, that's instance specific. I know that on Mastodon the original instance, mastodon.social, has kind of set the tone for the other instances, so there could be an effect of that sort. Other than that? I'll just be honest and tell you that I'm not sure. It's hard to predict these kinds of things. But I agree with feditips that it could be a cause for concern.
I think that's the cool thing about it though is if we don't like the host of an instance, we move on to a better one. That will especially apply if they implement importing/exporting accounts like you can in Mastodon. Then you're REALLY not locked into any one server. I understand what you're saying, it's no small deal, but we can let them sit in their own echo chamber, and we go where we feel more comfortable.
Can just make an account in another instance (like you´ve done in Beehaw) or kbin I suppose. So far I haven´t seen anything that makes me uncorfortable with lemmy.ml, but given all these smaller platforms are on a trial period for me I have no qualms moving if needed be
Yeah. That's one of the things I like most about fediverse. You can always move around if you feel like you need to, and you'll still be able to interact with the communities you were interacting with earlier (in most cases). We'll see what happens. I think the instance I joined seems genuinely well-meaning (although like most users, I'm still mostly just dipping my feet in here). I just wanted to put out there that the lead developers could have some problematic views.
I disagree with the feditips account. I think he's pushing people away from lemmy rather than the specific instance. I've had no issues on lemmy.ml and the mods here have been great. I'm pretty sure he's just referring to lemmygrad. And like the other user who replied to you said, you could always make a new instance or join another. The political opinions of the devs means nothing if the platform is decentralized. Unlike Reddit, they don't have power over the entire platform, just whatever instance they host, just like if I made an instance, which I can, I have complete power over it.
You can look at the modlog and see that lemmy.ml has also banned people for criticism of authoritarian governments. The reddit post I linked to in regards to Tiananmen Square was posted by one of the moderators of lemmy.ml.
Well, everything else I said stands. You're on Beehaw, so none of that affects you. I could migrate my account there if it became an issue. Lemmy as an overall platform should still be recommended imo, because there are so many instances to join instead.
Man, I'm gonna miss reddit, but Lemmy seems pretty awesome so far.
Spez comes off as a narcissistic little pissbaby. Blaming the apps/devs that made Reddit what it is, rather than actually looking at ways to make the site better for everyone.
Blame-shifting is a tenet of narcissism. They can't be grandiose and entitled without it.
I think anyone surprised by Spez's behavior now have not actually read anything about him before
Spez on Christian (Apollo dev)
His “joke” is the least of our issues. His behavior and communications with us has been all over the place—saying one thing to us while saying something completely different externally; recording and leaking a private phone call—to the point where I don’t know how we could do business with him.
Spez is a fucking joke
I loved the commentary on that exchange from hackernews.
""" fwlr 8 minutes ago | prev | next [–]
The rule that you shouldn’t build your business on someone else’s API obviously applies here and in the end Reddit is of course justified in choosing to shut out third party apps. But I must say it is simply hilarious that their exorbitant new price was so absurd that when devs quoted it back to them as a buyout rate, Reddit felt like they were being blackmailed. I mean that’s literally getting offended at your own number. """
He's right. If you think the golden goose lays $x/yr and the guy offers it at $.5x and it offends you, you've got a problem with yourself.
What an asshole. Still trying to ruin iamthatis.
For fuck's sake dude, sorry that you wanted to only quietly out that you're an asshole and he made sure we all know what a giant, gaping asshole you are.
WHEN I AM AN ASSHOLE I HAVE THE EXPECTATION THAT OTHER PEOPLE KEEP IT PRIVATE
spez is a straight up narcissist that uses the same playbook as the rest. it's so evident with the gaslighting, blame-shifting, and smear campaign. at this point, anything he says should be understood to be a tactical play in gaining control by seeming powerful, "on your side," or requiring pity as a victim. his mind is deranged, so he has no other capacity.
Positive is the overwhelming number of people not falling for it and calling him out on it. It's amazing, doesn't matter politics, religion, sexual identity, everyone is fully united in saying "fuck spez"
Check the response from /u/iamthatis. Absolutely savage.
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If he has any lawyers or a wife or anyone who has any investment in reddit getting an IPO they should tackle him and take the keyboard away.
Good lord, he's got a steam shovel and is gonna break into the mantle from the hole he's digging.
even worse than I expected, somehow
wow, there are >13000 comments and /u/spez has made 12, all very brief. He didn't even have any canned answers ready.
And to be fair the other admins linked in the top post have about 6 comments between them.
What a terrible AMA lol. I'm not surprised but it's still somehow worse than I imagined it would be.
pretty shocking really. I feel like a bit of prep to have some answers written up by someone who knows how to spin things would have fooled at least some readers. especially those who weren't following the whole drama up til now. but it was a comprehensive loss for them.
it looks like he copy/pasted an answer from his team, he even included the A: https://archive.ph/X6EJq
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I mentioned lemmy and got shadowbanned
Haha pathetic. Let's see if that also works for me.
You would think given the community, they would want to toss at least a dozen staff on this, and have prepared answers to most of the questions.
Spez looks incredibly out of touch with this ama.
"We’ll continue to be profit-driven until profits arrive. Unlike some of the 3P apps, we are not profitable."
Almost understandable but did they really think this was the way to put it?
He really sounds like 'fuck it I'll just improvise and get this shit over with' from his answers.
"I am bad at my job"
oooohhkkkkay
Sounds like a skill issue, Mr. CEO
He then answered a question on the Apollo dev situation and my god, he just dug the hole deeper. He has no idea the public perception of him and reddit at the moment, and then he continues to slander the Apollo dev with no facts or anything to back up that Apollo dev did anything wrong.
For NBA fans, he's got some real Steve Kerr energy there too, more concerned about the recording of the call than anything else, like when the video of Draymond punching Poole came out.
You can tell that he is absolutely furious at the attention that Apollo has gotten.
Yeah he seems incredibly bitter.
Did anyone catch that he accidentally started one of his comments with "A:" ? Almost like he was copy pasting answers to pre-written questions.
Proof: https://archive.ph/X6EJq
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I love it when idiots stab themselves in the face and set themselves on fire!
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