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Video shows Gen Xu Qinxian explaining why he refused to deploy troops to crush 1989 student-led demonstrations

Rare footage of a People’s Liberation Army (PLA) general who defied orders to lead his troops into Tiananmen Square and crush the 1989 student protesters has been leaked online, offering a highly unusual glimpse into the upper echelons of the military at one of the most fraught moments in modern Chinese history.

General Xu Qinxian’s refusal to take his troops from the PLA’s prestigious 38th Group Army, a unit based on the outskirts of Beijing, into the capital has been the stuff of Tiananmen lore for decades.

The six-hour video recording of Gen Xu’s court martial hearing the next year sheds light on the rare act of defiance. In the video, Xu said he refused because he did not want to become “a sinner in history”.

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[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago

Great, now reveal all epstein files without black outs.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 22 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

General Xu was 100% correct. The entire CCP and high ranking PLA officers should have thrown into a courtroom and sent to prison for murder.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 52 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

Don't worry, I've been told by users that it didn't happen, and that if it did, it wasn't what we saw, and it wasn't that bad, and that, if it was, they deserved it.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I’ve been told by users that it didn’t happen

Don't be shy. Name some names.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago

You're more than welcome to go through alllllll my comments to find some interactions. I couldn't be arsed

[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

It's all AI anyway. If you saw tank man before, you are being lied to by western propaganda.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Ai in 1989 was so advanced lol

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Like, duh? It's all laid out in Neuromancer. 🤷‍♂️

ICE was black back then, too.

[–] uncouple9831@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Ice like in cyberpunk or...?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 3 hours ago

The fatal firewall shit.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Imagine if 2020 had AI becoming this popular.

Pretty sure there would be conspiracy theories that accuse the George Floyd's murder video of being "AI"

The future is so cooked.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

Thats my take on them as well.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 15 points 8 hours ago

Time to change some of my challenge responses on some of my equipment to include him as the greatest chinese citizen. I have the standard remember Tiananmen Square response. Always fun to let them port scan and attempt to brute force with those responses.

[–] aesviation@lemmings.world 24 points 15 hours ago

Modern journalism headline

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 146 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

For anyone else that is interested in what came of him:

Xu was expelled from the CCP and sentenced to five years in prison. He lived the rest of his life exiled from Beijing and died in 2021 at the age of 85.

[–] markko@lemmy.world 112 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

A much happier ending than I expected.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 hours ago

If I'm understanding correctly he was a general. He was powerful enough to merely be court martialed. I doubt the same mercy extended very often to individual soldiers who refused orders.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 12 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

In Qing Dynasty, the entire family and close relatives would've gotten publicly executed.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Yay CCP is slightly less cruel than a medieval monarch

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 26 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

No kidding. If this happened in North Korea the trial would have lasted 15 minutes and the execution would have been a public spectacle.

[–] axh@lemmy.world 16 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Can't make a public spectacle of something that "never happened".

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

You're clearly not well-practiced at doublethink.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 27 points 16 hours ago
[–] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 89 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Good man. Too bad China kills good people. It's a horrible empire.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

Too bad China kills good people.

He wasn't killed, he was court marshalled and released five years later. He died in '21 at the ripe old age of 85

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 81 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It seems like all empires are horrible to me. Humans suck, especially when they have power

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

It's a flaw of empires in general. They become this pervasive machine where ends always justify the means and there's just too much power and slow rare of change. Just a bad system no matter how you look at it.

[–] Sine_Fine_Belli@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

I agree, that’s why all empires must die

[–] nogooduser@lemmy.world 18 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah.

There’s lots of instances throughout history that prove that humans with power suck.

I like to think that it’s because nice people aren’t the type to accumulate power rather than power corrupts nice people who do get power.

[–] Natanael 4 points 8 hours ago

Power corrupts insecure people

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 15 points 17 hours ago

I think we make the mistake of letting people govern groups of people that they are too distant from to care about. Leaders are essential, but they have to care about the people they lead. I dont think its actually possible to care about people a thousand miles away the same way as the people in your community. I think this is why the largest countries that are controlled by the fewest people have the most problems. Its a delegation issue essentially.

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