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Image transcription: a section of a Wikipedia article titled "Relationship with Reality". It reads "From a scientific viewpoint, elves are not considered objectively real. [3] However," End transcription.

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[–] TheCoolerMia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wow, they really dance around that. The belief in elves is real, champ, not the elves themselves due to that belief. This isn't a Terry Pratchett novel.

[–] dreadgoat@kbin.social 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's written that way to be as neutral as possible.

Replace "Elf" with "God" and you'll see how important it is to "dance"

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's the same amount of evidence for gods as there is for elves and orbiting teapots.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

Yet gods and elves change the world and teapots are content to remain unobserved

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There is absolutely zero necessity to dance around the non existance of god. There is objectively no god.

[–] Nash42@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What evidence do you have to back up that claim?

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I love how nobody is responding to you, because the truth is: we can’t know, but most of us are very sure whether there is a god either way. It’s nonsense to call what an atheist believes absolutely “true,” because we can’t know. I’m an atheist, but it’s just pseudoscience to suggest that we can scientifically prove that there’s no god.

[–] Nash42@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Agreed and well-put. Lack of evidence cannot give creedence to a claim. It's all well and good to believe in (the absence of, or possibility of) supernatural being(s), but to state such beliefs as objective is not follow the scientific method.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Would you say that feelings, thoughts and numbers do "exist"?

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Would you say that God has the same power as the number four?

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Discworld's Small Gods work like this.

They only gain power if you believe in them. So they stand around like a used car salesman trying to convert you

[–] Neato@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That kind of system seems ripe for a pyramid scheme.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Are you Djelibeybi?

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same for ff14 eikons. And I think the goauld in stargate?

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Ori were the bad guy that gained power from followers, the Goa’uld were just brain snakes with advanced tech.

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

That was it, ty

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Discworld's ~~elves~~fair folk, however, do not work like this and remain wildly powerful even as human belief in them withers and dissipates. The belief in elves at the beginning of Lords and Ladies is much akin to the belief in Om at the beginning of Small Gods. From memory, "like worshipping the shell left behind by a crustacean that has long since died". But for some reason elves maintain power in the human world whereas Om is reduced to hoping the melons in the church gardens aren't too thick-skinned.

[–] bbpolterGAYst@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago