Agree on banning AI. Music is written, not generated.
this post was submitted on 29 Dec 2025
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Edit: generative sequences have been a thing for a long time, this new type of generative music muddies the terminology.
That's a good point; I'll have to clarify my intent better.
Music has been one of the most powerful tools for human expression since the dawn of time. Ban.
Generated stuff is a waste of bandwidth and storage space. Ban ban ban
I won't listen to AI generated music. It doesn't belong anywhere, in my not so humble opinion.
Ban ai bullshit
Allow AI posts if they are one of the following :
- something interesting that can't be achieved through traditional means
- something that is created in direct lineage of the programmer's work (eg : someone builds a specific AI based system to actually make music in a novel way, like, idk, taking in barcodes and generating music based on the data in the barcode)
- something that is made through a custom workflow that took effort on the technician's part.
- Anything that is procedurally generated as part of a semi-determenistic system (eg : sheep in minecraft pressing buttons by accident , sound of twitter)
Technically, you might need to ban the song "skullgrid" since it was composed using procedural generation software. But, it was composed that way, but then recorded by metal musicians. https://beholdthearctopus.bandcamp.com/track/skullgrid
Obviously, yes, ban slop AI stuff that's "here's enter sandman regge style" , here's my "smoky blues space album" that's just them putting the title into suno AI.
There are also people that worked on this kind of stuff before the AI ... mainstreamisation? Like Dadabots , who worked with the musicians and with their permission and everything. I don't want that kind of stuff to be banned. https://dadabots.bandcamp.com/album/coditany-of-timeness is from 2017 and it would be a shame to lump it in with everything else.
https://github.com/MeltwaterArchive/Sound-of-Twitter ... which is currently down, or deleted or fucking whatever.
Basically : I want to see experimental works that were made using programming and data re-interpretation. I don't want to see "I put farts through AI and here's the generic output".
Technically, you might need to ban the song “skullgrid” since it was composed using procedural generation software
Was the procedural generation software trained using other artists' works? Or is it more like a drum machine with baked-in algorithms written by software developers? If the latter, that's not "AI" in the sense that this thread is primarily discussing.
Or is it more like a drum machine with baked-in algorithms written by software developers?
even better, using a scripting language that calls algorithms.
EDIT : Fair point though
colloquially we all know 'ai' means generative large language models like gpt and copilot. nobody says 'ai' these days - especially in the context of question of the post here - and means sythesizers or minecraft or purpose-built and tailored narrowly scoped machine learning models integrated in software. we would say these other terms we've used here just like we have.
I think you’re conflating “AI” (LLM) with procedural generation. The former should be banned, the latter allowed.
Kinda? I know what the difference between LLMs and proc gen is. I don't think that it will be clear if a ban comes into place, and people are so knee-jerk at anything that isn't 100% human made that they will care and demand anything that uses any kind of artificial intelligence or non human composed and played music be burned at the stake.
Also, I think that LLM based generation is a subcategory of proc gen. I think LLM based stuff *can* be set up in non slop ways to create non slop work, and I want the "experimental" high effort LLM stuff to be treated as such.
people are so knee-jerk at anything that isn’t 100% human made that they will care and demand anything that uses any kind of artificial intelligence or non human composed and played music be burned at the stake.
Maybe let's not presume how the community will behave given a new rule regarding generative AI. Music featuring digital instrumentation has certainly not been "burned at the stake" despite it not being "100% human made".
Music composed and performed by generative AI (which was trained on the works of other artists) would understandably be met with criticism within the music community, and is a far cry from "100% human made" in that it is closer to "0% human made".
I think once someone mentions "algorithm" or "I generated" it's over. People won't care about the details, because they're people.
Also, I think that LLM based generation is a subcategory of proc gen.
Hmm… I would usually think of proc gen as being more deterministic than what LLMs do (even if they use random numbers there’s usually a seed value to get consistent random numbers)
I guess in some ways the important part is how much work the purported artist put in to the output.
Hmm… I would usually think of proc gen as being more deterministic than what LLMs do (even if they use random numbers there’s usually a seed value to get consistent random numbers)
I haven't re-installed my local copy of stable diffusion yet, but I'm pretty sure same seed + same prompt = same output. If you have one to hand, feel free to try... Thinking about this a bit more, I guess not, since you can run batches from the same seed, so I guess it's not exactly the same?
Either way, running the same seed + prompt at least gives you similar outputs. It belongs in the same type of... "tool"?
Maybe if the guidelines are to ban LLMs? But even then, I want the weird , difficult to create LLM stuff to be posted, as long as it's not suffocating everything else.
I guess in some ways the important part is how much work the purported artist put in to the output.
Yeah, I think this is something even the most hardcore AI guys will agree with. No one wants the community to be overrun by drivel.
Haha… I don’t have stablediffusion because !fuck_ai@lemmy.world but I didn’t realize they were that close to procedural generation techniques.
The problem with “effort” as a metric is that there’s high effort shit as well as low-effort good stuff. But I suppose usually the high-effort shit at least has a good story behind it.
yep. again, restriction instead of outright bans means that it's up to us to give a shit or not when someone actually tries properly instead of just pulling something out of their ass.
AI “training” is theft from human artists. Ban AI-gen completely.
Agreed. I'll go one further and say disallow "AI" anything...
Soon the internet will be so full of sloppy shit that we need to start creating spaces dedicated to genuine human arts and communication right now.
Yeah, disallow it. It's stolen pap that only makes the unethical corporations richer.
If it's not disallowed outright at least require it to be clearly labeled
Yes ban AI music completely. For a comprise I'd be ok with a regular ai music thread if there was any demand but i dont think there is.
That also seems like a nice way of dealing with it
I dunno guys, maybe we should allow it!
/s
Music is pure human expression. I'd rather listen to the worst human-made music there is than the best AI-generated music.
Ban it by calling it what it is: spam. We don't even need to debate whether it's "real" music or not. The bots and accounts posting it here are spamming the community for views/plays solely so they make money off their fake content. Every time I've seen it it's dozens upon dozens of posts by the same account flooding the community and contributing nothing worthwhile. Almost always they are even trying to pass it off as genuine musicians.
can we keep the Weird Al stuff though
ha im so funny
Such as? Jk?
weird AL yankovic 🤣
Ban.
Ban it .. there is a place and time for machine learning, but it's not art in any shape or form!
Ban everything AI
I don't want to talk about clanker work, there's plenty of good work humans are doing
AI music is a technical exercise, not art. Ban it
Agree, ban the spam
While there is one singular ai song that I actually like due to it mocking abusive customers, I consider it the exception and not the rule.
I vote for banning AI-generated songs.
Fuck that shit off permanently please
I see more posts about AI than posts generated by AI. TBH, these are the posts I would rather get rid of. As is, I just block the users that spam this crap (sorry OP) just so I can see a post on Lemmy that isn't about fucking AI.
I'm not sure. I wouldn't want my music project banned just because it uses a.i. to figure out which loops to combine next, live, in real time. But that's because I composed all those loops myself and configured the rules for how they relate. That I think differs from an LLM that simply steals other people's work wholesale.
I don't think this is what they're talking about. AI should be allowed IMO if it's an extension of the poster's humanity and not just a whole-cloth LLM generated song. The hardcore anti-AI crowd doesn't even know these types of uses exist, they just decided early on that they don't like fully generated stuff and are throwing out the baby with the bath water whenever AI is mentioned.
If you posted your AI assisted music (even with a policy in place) I don't think anyone would call it out or even notice, FWIW. In this climate I wouldn't even mention AI involvement.
Are you talking about, say, generative sequencing of samples? If so, that seems like a reasonable exception.