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Time for blue states to stop allowing federal taxes to be paid by their citizens. File suits on behalf of your constituents. No taxation without representation
It would be fucking phenomenal for my state to keep the dollars internal and invest in more in its citizens. Why the fuck am I working everyday to subsidize the fuckers in the south and midwest that keep voting to wreck everything around us.
Agree 100% they can live in pedofile propaganda con man land and we can cut that insanity off
More to the point, though, every dollar that flees to a red state is one that isn't investing in mine.
If they hat handouts so much it's time to grow a pair and figure out to feed their own damned selves.
Time for the Blue States to cut funding to the Red Oblasts.
So then blue state citizens should cut their federal tax payments. No taxation without representation.
alleged minnesota fraud that was fully debunked within 48 hours as hot bullshit.
He really wants a war, whether it be a civil or with another country.
This way he can cancel all elections and become the King of America.
The executive doesn't have that unilateral authority. What he's doing is illegal; unconstitutional, even.
"No taxation without representation" ring any bells?
Laws don't fucking matter when the systems that hold the corrupt accountable have been subverted by the very corrupt they meant to police.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't call it out. Don't let them dominate the narrative with their "might makes right" rhetoric.
He can do whatever he wants. No one is stopping him. Your system needs to be torn down and rebuilt.
Is that you volunteering to throw the first brick?
I'm not allowed into your country, so I'm not really sure how to help you with that
Bummer dude, it's a shithole here. You're not missing much. Many of us want out.
"No taxation without representation" ring any bells?
If Trump's actions are illegal or unconstitutional, the reason is not related to "No taxation without representation." Minnesota has representation in the Senate and in the House.
Wrong. By unilaterally withholding congressionally-allocated tax funds (which is unconstitutional), he's using executive power to bypass Congress.
In other words, the representational branch of the US government is being boxed out of their constitutional duty to allocate federal funds. The people's elected representatives are not having the final say on how that tax money is being distributed, as the constitution prescribes.
The people are still paying taxes. Their elected representatives are being bypassed (unconstitutionally) by the executive, who is unilaterally withholding congressionally-allocated tax funds. That is not what it means to have representation.
He is not wrong.
Yes, he is. Congressional representation being bypassed by unilateral executive overreach is effectively the same thing as "no representation."
This decision was made based on a Youtube video, made by some rando with Trump-friendly views, directed at Minnesota's most visible minority.
This should go without saying but: Youtubers. Should. NOT. Influence. Policy.
Correct me if I'm wrong but not even Rush Limbaugh or Alex Jones ever had this much sway on influencing policy.
Rush Limbaugh literally set the stage for this. The kind of guy who should have been immediately cancelled. Instead, he was allowed to live on as a celebrity radio hate monger. Hate radio poisoned an entire generation of people. Rush didn't do it by himself, but he was the poster child for it.
Alex may have not had as big of an impact but he tortured people who lost their children in probably one of the most psychologically damaging ways possible.
Allowing people like that to make millions off of lies and hate is no kind of freedom for those who suffer. Of course Trump awarded Limbaugh the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I think he may have influenced a little more than policy.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE EPSTEIN FILES???
Don't stop talking about this. Drumpf, the pedo rapist felon, wants us to stop talking about the Epstein/Trump Files. Do not stop talking about the Epstein/Trump Files because drumpf is a pedo rapist felon.
Even if Trump was right about everything... Hillary's emails, the '20 election, any random sentence. If he was literally correct every single time about it all... You can't just punish whole states of citizens because you're mad at the people in charge there.
The crazy amount of context you can take away without missing a beat about how wrong he is about everything he does is absolutely crazy.
Those blue state citizens are what funds the red states...
I've been saying it for almost a year now, it won't be easy but blue states need to stop having employees federal taxes sent off every check. Instead send it to a fund, when trump pulls shit like this, use the fund to make up the difference.
It's gonna come to that point eventually and it's a complicated process, so we should have it set up and ready to pull the trigger.
For real, if California and New York alone stopped paying federal taxes, the federal government would go bankrupt immediately.
Why pay into a system that won't pay anything back out to you? Those funds are just going to the likes of Thiel and Musk, who already don't pay enough taxes. Fuck em.
They were going to cut welfare and social programs anyway, that's all they're here to do, they are gutting our treasury before they all get kicked out or guillotined. If the wind shifted in the wrong direction they would announce it's reason to cut funding.
Pay attention people, this is your script. When you talk to people on the fence, tuned out or already leaning right, you do not argue about social policies, racism, immigration or any of the other hot-button social issues that are on fire right now. Average dumb fucks (which is everyone) don't actually care about any of that. I'm sorry but people just broadly only care about themselves. Maybe that will change someday, but for now you are not going to get success finger-wagging and pointing out the suffering of marginalized people.
What you say is this: "Okay they're cutting all this funding for medical care and poor people, they cut NASA and all these boards for health and education and environment protection, so where's the benefit? Where is that money going? Are your groceries cheaper? Is your healthcare cheaper? Is anything getting better?"
That's it. Just ask this one question. If it's some MAGAss who starts ranting and sputtering, you let it go. Or just repeat the question. "Where is your money that they're taking out of your check? Where is going to? Getting oil from Venezuela? Are YOU going to get a barrel of crude?"
We can leverage the average dumbass American if we make it a question not a lecture. People are dumber than they've ever been, but they still want to look smart, and if you ask them a question they can't answer, they will chew on it so they know how to answer it next time someone asks.
Absolutely. People who don't "care" about "politics" , they do care about economic issues that affect them
Along similar lines, I always noticed how we have a vigorous debate about tax rates but nobody ever seems to discuss the benefits you receive for them. The tax rate isn't going down to zero for working people ever. As long as we have to pay, surely we should get something in return.
Remember that with Republicans and conservatives, every accusation is a confession.
The social-media-conspiracy-to-federal-policy pipeline is becoming suspiciously short.
When you are run by a dictator, you only need to convince one person to make a change. It’s madness.
It’s not cause of the issues in Minnesota. It’s cause they are blue. Full stop.
Also, Trump is a convicted felon and pedophile. So there’s that.
Why would blue states still pay into the federal government when they're not getting anything out of it anymore? Seems to me they're financing their own abusive relationship. I don't understand how this works. Aren't blue states the only reason these crappy red states are even still slightly functional?
I'm not American but it seems to me that collectively the blue states would hold a lot of power if they're the financial backbone of the country. Can't they swing their weight around a little?
You would think. Our stupid country has senators based on statehood rather than representation of population. The pocket of Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Montana has ~3.5 million people combined, yet has 4x the voting power of California which has 10x the population. It's a garbage system.
Also if you look at virtually any statistic by state. Red states are a dumpster fire. Literacy, STDs, teen pregnancy, income, obesity, etc.
Only a complete fucking moron could be a republican. The evidence of their failure and unnecessary cruelty is overwhelming.
Taxes levied by the US federal government are against individuals and businesses directly. States also levy their own taxes independently. So these funds paid to the federal government (largely) don't go through state hands.
You are correct. Unfortunately, state governments don't have a hand in federal taxation. Employers typically withhold the estimated amount from employee's paychecks, and at the beginning of each year everyone submits a tax form. If they paid over their obligation, they get a refund; if they underpaid, they owe money.
Even if someone opts out of tax withholdings, they're responsible for sending their taxes to the federal government each year; typically through a third-party for-profit business (especially now that Republicans trashed the recent IRS pilot which allowed people to file their taxes directly to the federal government for free).
The only solution would be for every resident of that state to individually opt out of federal tax withholdings from their employer, but then they'd be individually liable for submitting their taxes each year. While the IRS doesn't currently have the staffing to handle that if everyone does it, that would require a level of collective trust-in-ones-fellows that simply doesn't exist in this era.
It would be much better if states could offer their protection, but apparently states can't even keep ICE out so the IRS would be no different...
They are desperate to start an insurrection so they can cancel the 2026 midterms
Blue states need to call up the state guard.
It's clear that the federal government is not willing to keep them safe.
NY should release Maduro and claim they didn't have the funds to hold him. And Luigi.
Soon there will be a critical mass of people who have nothing left to lose
Ofc it's political. Trump's an erratic, angry old man that even Susie Wiles said has the temperment of a raging drunk.
(FYI, Trump is a teetotaler. His behavior, that's dementia in action..)
Not sure how things roll in the "united" states but obviously states shouldn't support the federation if theyre treated unfairly.
This further solidifies red states' status as leeches.