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Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
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Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

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Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

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Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

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Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago (3 children)

yeah I denounce Hamas. I denounce them not having a nuke

Death to America

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Jesus fuck - American cops.

"We don't have an official suspect in the murder right now but we already know it's not a hate crime." And I have to wonder if the untouched flag is "proof" to the cops it wasn't a hate crime.

Samantha Woll: Authorities conducting 'countless interviews' to determine a suspect and motive in Detroit synagogue leader's fatal stabbing | CNN

Authorities do not believe at this time that the crime was motivated by antisemitism, White said, adding police believe the assailant acted alone.

“We have a number of people that give us interest, we are just short of calling one of the people a suspect, but we are working to that end,” the chief said. “We are confident that we’re going to develop a suspect, we’re not there right now as of this press conference.”

Woll had a large Israeli flag in her apartment that was left untouched, a law enforcement source told CNN earlier.

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[–] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago

Bruh

From the Times of Israeli - Archive Link

[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

has the resistance said they'd accept a ceasefire, or would they kind of have no choice because of how disastrous a situation Gaza is in? I feel like an indefinite ceasefire, without an end to the occupation, would be bad long term - that's why I kind of have mixed feelings about the rallying cry for 'just' a ceasefire.

my position right now is that Israel isn't going to listen or be pressured to do anything anyway, so calling for a ceasefire is good because it makes it more difficult for countries to keep backing Israel in the way they are? idk

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[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

Russia has introduced a new extreme range air-to-air missile that uses passive targeting during flight, Ukrainian jets are getting no warning alarms until they're hit from ~400km

26 jets downed in the last 9 days compared to an average rate of 1-3 per week

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/ukraines-sudden-high-air-losses-likely-caused-by-new-russian-missiles.html

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 51 points 2 years ago (15 children)

The galaxy brains of the IDF came up with this:

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[–] jimbojambo@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Some rumours from leftist Arab sources on Twitter that American ships have been hit in the Red Sea by Houthi rebels. Waiting for confirmation.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (7 children)

https://streamable.com/mck7vn

Partial interview with one of the newly released hostages where she talks about them being treated very nicely.

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"I see death 20 times a day," says 90-year-old woman after fleeing her Gaza home

Souad Al-Alem was one of the roughly 10,000 people forced to flee the Palestinian town of al-Majdal. It was 1948, she was a young woman and Israel’s troops were approaching the community during the Arab-Israeli war in what is now part of the Israeli city of Ashkelon.

Now in her 90s and living in Gaza, Al-Alem has been forced to run again — one of the hundreds of thousands of civilians caught up in the war.

“I see death 20 times every day, in the sky and on earth. Even the force of every blast affects us psychologically. It feels like it is on top of our heads when it’s next to us or nearby,” Al-Alem told CNN. Just 10 miles north of the Gaza border, not much remains of al-Majdal. Once a buzzing market place known for textile manufacturing, it was reduced to rubble after the 1948/49 war.

All of its houses are long gone, replaced with modern Israeli buildings that are now part of Ashkelon. Only the old mosque remains standing. Nearby, an empty, overgrown field gives a hint of the size of the former town.

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-27-23/h_f8766b69f25da7f7fd9467857f595170

The full article - She fled the Israeli army as a young woman. Now in her 90s, she is running again | CNN

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)

🇸🇾🇺🇲⚡️There are reports of a powerful explosion at a US base near the al-Omar oil field in Deir ez-Zor province. The facility has been attacked before.

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[–] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Acting Prime Minster Richard Marles announced earlier that the country would send a "significant number" of ADF troops and two RAAF aircraft to the Middle East.

Unusually, for what he labelled "operational and security reasons", the acting prime minister would not confirm where the troops would be stationed, or their number.

"They will join an existing aircraft which is in the Middle East, so that takes the total to three and with them will be a contingent of Australian personnel which is a pretty significant contingent of personnel," he said.

"australia is a middle power with global interests"

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)

have people seen this thing about the national march on washington for palestine? are people planning on joining, do we know if there's a way to help out without actually going (because i am immunocompromised and very sick rn)

should someone make this a post and pin it maybe?

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Emphasis mine. Fucking Israel.

Without electricity, British-Palestinian surgeon warns hospital will turn into "a mass grave"

A British-Palestinian surgeon who traveled to Gaza to help in hospitals has warned that without electricity, the hospital he is in “will just be a mass grave.”

Dr. Ghassan Abu-Sittah said that without electricity “there’s nothing to do for these wounded" who are at Al-Shifa Hospital where he is working.

“The system is disintegrating and without a ceasefire and a humanitarian corridor — not token 14, 15, 20 trucks for two and a quarter million people, but a real humanitarian corridor that allows the evacuation of these wounded and allows humanitarian aid to come in and medical teams to come in — without that, there’s going to be an even larger catastrophe that the one that already exists here,” Abu-Sittah told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour on Monday.

Abu-Sittah said the hospital has run out of burns dressings, with more than 100 patients in the hospital with burns covering more than 40% of their bodies.

There are more than 150 patients on ventilators with critical injuries in the hospital, he said, adding that they had also run out of “external fixators — the pins and rods that are required for orthopedic surgery.”

Abu-Sittah told CNN that a number of wounded and inpatients from the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital have been brought to Al-Shifa Hospital.

He said electricity is starting to cut out and there is not sufficient water pressure to run the sterilization machine that's needed for surgical instruments.

“Most importantly we’ve run out of space. The hospital that had a bed capacity between 550 and 700 beds now has 1,700 patients in mattresses in the corridors, on the floors of the emergency departments. The situation is dire, and we are just at the very end of the system as it slowly starts to crumble," he said.

The surgeon described treating a 16-year-old boy who “had burns to his face, his arms and his legs.” He said the boy told him how “he had dinner with his parents and his dad, who was sitting next to him, was killed and his mom suffocated in the fire that led to the burns that he had.”

“We have now a term in Shifa hospital called ‘wounded child with no surviving family’ to designate over 50 kids who have been pulled out of the rubble on their own and have sustained injuries and are being treated in the hospital,” Abu-Sittah said.

“For a system that had a total bed capacity of 2,500 beds before the war started, we are just waiting for the electricity to run out, the fuel, and then that will be the death… of the health system," he added.

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-23-23/h_0c17948492369ff4d34ad93876fdcb36

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The doctor's Twitter account - Ghassan Abu Sitta (@GhassanAbuSitt1)

[–] zephyreks@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (1 children)

China's car exports are extremely hot this year. China's automotive industry is gunning for massive investment into automation. It's actually sort of crazy how much surplus capacity Chinese factories have.

People commenting on the reduction in Chinese exports of furniture and textiles are missing the bigger picture: China's economy is moving upwards in the value chain and it's requiring fewer workers to do it. That's both an advantage (because of increased efficiency) and a disadvantage (because the profits of that increased efficiency might not be coming back to the country). China has a uniquely strong government position to address this, but it'll still be interesting to see if the Chinese government can balance this massive growth in exports with the increasing power of private industry.

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[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (11 children)

they should add "supported genocide" to the list

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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (28 children)

My anti-Zionist jewish friend sent me this tumblr post from another anti-Zionist jew talking about the "how to be Anti-Zionist without being antisemetic" subject, and told me its the first one of those posts that she's largely agreed with.

My friend asks that y'all not leave comments or anything please :)

I think its interesting that the post says that the "they can just go back, dual citizenship" rhetoric that Ive seen people here using is a problem because it doesnt reflect reality.

Person seems to be pretty comited to ending aparthied so I dont think they're coming at this in bad faith. And so I think these are good points to keep in mind.

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

14 UNRWA staff members killed in past 24 hours

In a fresh update, the UN’s refugee agency says that 14 additional staff members have been killed in Gaza during the past 24 hours, bringing the total number of staff killed in the conflict to 53.

jesus christ. you have to wonder if they're punishing UN workers at this point because of Guterres' mild condemnation of Israel. or if the bombing is just that indiscriminate?

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[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I was just reading a little bit about white phosphorus. Sounds way worse than say mustard gas. Just one more hypocrisy to add onto the pile that someone like Assad deserves to get bombed for (being accused of) having mustard gas, yet Israel and the US can use white phosphorus with impunity and that’s a-ok.

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[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago

ICC investigating crimes on both sides 🫠🫠

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)
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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Famous last words: https://nitter.cz/plovejet/status/1718348201504166161

I swear to God one of the most exciting parts about entering Gaza will be the fact I won't be on Twitter and seeing all the god awful takes on this conflict.

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

what's with Israelis pronouncing it KHHHHHamas? that's not how you say it in Arabic and the normal h sound seems to exist in Hebrew? even Ben Shapiro says it that way and he's American, does that make it sound more evil or something?

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] immuredanchorite@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago (2 children)

the date is 10/26/23, we are hearing about another 1/10th of a 9/11 occurring in Maine. There have been 30 or so 9/11's since 10/7/23 in Israel alone. Over 100 9/11's since this past 9/11. Even more if you were to count Palestinians. When will the 9/11's themselves wake up to their own 9/11? Every moment has become a worse tragedy since the last 9/11 and every 9/12 before me looks to become another 9/11 stretching into the abyss. Infinite, recursive 9/11. An inescapable cataclysm in which we are all embodied in the large, jet-fuel-drenched towers, suffocating amongst the melted steel beams. An infinite number of passenger jets are crashing into an endless expanse of financial headquarters. I am born each day at 8:46 AM. The world is watching. I die each morning at 10:28 AM as the North Tower collapse before me. The world grieves for me, but I only crave more blood. I open my eyes and I am born again. The date is still 9/11 liberty-weeping

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago

Hezbollah says downed Israeli drone in south Lebanon

Lebanon’s Hezbollah says it shot down an Israeli drone southeast of Lebanon with a surface-to-air missile, downing it in Israeli territory.

sicko-yes

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Rules based international order! A tale of two votes

Condemning Russia:

Calling for a Humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza:

The UN Secretary-General called for a humanitarian ceasefire (the bare minimum, really). The US and Israel among other western countries are against it.

We already knew the rules based world is complete bullshit, here's yet more proof that the western power elite is as morally corrupt as they come.

When I think about protecting the security of the United States and the world, I am clear-eyed. One of our defining missions is to strengthen the international rules-based order — to defend it, to promote it, and to build on it.

The absolute gall of these fuckers.

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[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago (4 children)
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[–] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Ukrainian Rezident channel claims Zelensky is furious at Biden’s egregious $100B aid package because it’s too large as to be realistic and appears more a deliberate virtue signal or token attempt at help:

Ukrainian channel Rezident: Our source in the Office of the President said that the Office of the President considers the actions of the Biden Administration destructive regarding financial support for Ukraine for 2024. Instead of a realistic relief package for our country, the White House is asking for record amounts that will definitely be blocked by the Republicans. All these actions are aimed at disrupting financial and military assistance to Ukraine in order to agree with the Kremlin to freeze the conflict in our country along the front line.

So the stabbed in the back theory being floated here is that Biden is hoping his big bazooka funding request for Ukraine will fail so he can wash his hands of the blame. That he intentionally made a proposal the house republicans won’t accept.

From https://open.substack.com/pub/simplicius76/p/sitrep-102423-avdeevka-victories

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[–] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Darkest Speaker election timeline:

  • No speaker is elected for months
  • Government shuts down
  • Biden gets Congress to agree that military spending is national security and that they can vote on it without a speaker
  • This becomes the norm and any non military spending is forever halted because there is never another Speaker
  • All new laws are exclusively Executive Orders
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[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Our longing has grown.
The time for revenge has come.

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[–] sempersigh@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The Wafa news agency reports that today in Jerusalem Israeli police shut down access for Muslims to al-Aqsa mosque. It says: “Authorities tightened entry into the mosque since the morning, where only the elderly were allowed to enter. However, this quickly changed and all worshippers of all ages were denied entry into al-Aqsa mosque, which was an unusual move not taken for months.” It reports that Jewish residents wishing to pray within the compound were allowed entry, “in violation of the status quo”, which has been that the compound is only available for Muslim worship. x

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[–] edge@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

C-Span caller, heavy southern accent but Democrat: "the Speaker of the House needs to be non-bi-..."

The Speaker needs to be non-binary.

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