From the perspective of the US state they were. Black liberation and communism are diametrically opposed to the interests of that state. BLM is largely not ML, but liberation of oppressed minorities (aside from the propertied ruling class) is still one of the threats the US state must respond to.

[–] Raphael@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

FBI is a racist organization controlled by a racist country.

[+] Chipthemonk@lemmy.fmhy.ml -16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Hyperbole much? The US consists of over 350 million people. You think all of them are racist? The people make the country. You’re getting upvotes because it’s a simple statement to make, but it’s not the truth. The US is an amazing country. There are still many racists, but there are less now than there were before, and this will continue to improve as we move forward.

[–] nxlemmy@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It being a racist country doesn’t mean each person is racist. The country took part in decades of genocide, slavery, segregation, coups in countless countries, placed countless dictators in power, and inspired the Nazis (yes literally).

[–] Chipthemonk@lemmy.fmhy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s had its issues, there’s no doubt about that. But it set the precedent for a new kind of society in 1760. It’s an amazing country.

Also, it didn’t inspire the Nazis, that is a ridiculous comment.

[–] nxlemmy@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

What new kind of society? Democracy and representative government are older than the US.

Nazis were literally inspired the US to use Zyklon B from when they used it on immigrants they still

continue to exploit https://www.npr.org/2006/01/28/5176177/the-bath-riots-indignity-along-the-mexican-border

Hitler literally praises the US in mein kampf and jim crow was an inspiration to the Nazi’s https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow

its had its issues It still has the issues lol the largest population in prison per capita, no healthcare, no public transportation, shrinking life expectancy, and they’re still occupying tons of countries, still sanctioning cuba for god knows what, still arming tons of dictators and terrorists around the world, etc etc

[+] Zippy@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I no longer see systemic racism like there was at one time. Do you know if any government policies that are racist in nature? I don't.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There’s a name for that buddy. Ignorance.

[–] Raphael@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

No, it's liberal free speech. The big news outlets in America do not report their apartheid.

Only leftist media does and you're labeled a terrorist for watching it.

[–] Zippy@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Show me one law that is racist? I bet you can't. At one time it was common. Ie. Where you could sit on a bus.

If anything we now have laws that are the opposite and support minorities.

[–] 133arc585@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

The entire war on drugs is a racist endeavour that has created racist drug laws.

"You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities,” Ehrlichman said. “We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

[–] sangle_of_flame@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

man, I guess the annual (at least) police killings of unarmed black people (including at least 2-3 children) just didn't happen?

[–] Zippy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Do you know what the definition of systemic racism means? I think few people here do. It means there are laws and policies that are racist.

You will always have racist cops and neighbors and teachers. That is not systemic. That is just shitty people. Once you identify them and can prove it, then you can take action. Some always slip thru.

[–] sangle_of_flame@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

this is a weird take; aren't police literally the arbiters of said systemically racist policies and laws?

like isn't that their colloquial job definition?

[–] Zippy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Systemic or institutional racism is defined as having official policy in place to encourage racism. That was certainly the case in the 60s. Systemic being the key word I don't think people understand.

We have the opposite of that now in that we have all kinds of laws to l that can be used against those that are proven to be racist within their job. Key world is that it has to be proven and often that is not obvious to after an incident.

But if you think we have a problem with systemic racism, tell me one policy or law that is encourages racism.

[–] sangle_of_flame@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

you're really not going to accept that systematic racism (gentrification, the War on Drugs, racial profiling, job discrimination, etc.) exists unless there's like literally a law that says "you should be racist" in big colorful letters, are you?

I'm honestly in disbelief that people like you, who think that racism was completely solved in the 60s when King did the famous speech, still exist

[–] Zippy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

That is literally the definition of systemic.

[–] 133arc585@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You will always have racist cops and neighbors and teachers. That is not systemic.

If the system does not prevent, stop, or punish the racist constituent actors (cops, neighbors, teachers), is it not racist? Is it not systemic racism to not stop individual acts of racism, especially when they're performed by agents of the state (e.g., cops, lawmakers, judges, teachers)? Just because it's not a top-down demand by the state of "you, agent of the state, must act racist" does not mean it's not systemic racism.

That is just shitty people.

There is no such thing as a system as such. It's just people. If the members are racist, and their collective doesn't do anything to address (or even occasionally rewards) that behavior, the system is racist.

[–] mookulator@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

This post is about a government contract that is racist in nature. Is that close enough for you?

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Drug prohibition

[–] sangle_of_flame@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

oh wow

[–] mookulator@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ironic that you criticized the comment for hyperbole and then use the straws an fallacy to try to shoot it down. The comment did not claim that all 350 million people are racist. You just acted like it did so you could criticize it.

And yes, the US is an amazing country with far fewer racists than ever before. I agree with you there.

[–] sangle_of_flame@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

the government is racist, though

like demonstrably racist

OP wasn't talking about the average people

[–] LeZero@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Rest in peace Fred Hampton, murdered by the FBI without any consequences

Was there any punishement for running Cointelpro, a totalitarian surveillance program pointed against minority groups?

[–] sangle_of_flame@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

ah, that's not surprising

really bad, but not surprising

[–] febra@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

This doesn't surprise me one bit. It's the feds after all

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