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I'm upgrading because my phone is losing (lost?) support. I use a OnePlus 7 Pro and love it and wouldn't bother upgrading otherwise. I'd appreciate some recommendations of android phones you like, please.

Thank you in advance! (⁠.⁠ ⁠❛⁠ ⁠ᴗ⁠ ⁠❛⁠.⁠)

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[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

A lot of people won't like this answer, but I would not recommend anything from Samsung. Yes, the hardware on paper is typically excellent. However, everything else that comes with the experience is a complete joke to me.

  • The bootloader is locked, and even if you manage to get it unlocked Knox will be permanently tripped.
  • I never personally liked OneUI, but accepted it as long as it works. Unfortunately that's also not been the experience for me.
  • The last update they pushed for my phone broke Bluetooth connectivity, and it'll never be fixed, because they said there won't be any updates period. Now I'm left with a pen notification that never goes away, and a watch that disconnects every 15 minutes.
  • Their own stock apps are not very convenient at all, but don't forget to remind you to sign up for their updated data theft EULA every time you open them

And that's just software. It doesn't stop there. On my Note 10, the glass back completely peeled off, because of internal heat, and the only thing holding it together is the case. Keep in mind that this is from just regular usage. I don't play games on my phone, or do anything else that would warrant this kind of output

[–] seeCseas@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Interesting... I switched away from Samsung and actually hated stock Android!

  • I actually preferred One UI to the standard pixel, mainly because Google ruined the quick settings - they made each button unnecessarily big, and turning on/off the wifi requires two taps instead of one now (Internet > Wifi). That's something I can't change without rooting.
  • Some Samsung stock apps are actually a great alternative to the android ones (I use Samsung Notes a ton). The only downside is they force you to download it through their own app store.
  • Samsung doesn't really have much bloat now, and the few pieces of bloat i found could be uninstalled
  • Samsung is still the only phone manufacturer with triple camera setups in a small flagship phone

Don't get me wrong, it's not perfect, but the issues I had with Samsung were solvable (e.g. uninstalling bloat is a one-time thing) while the annoyances I've had with a Pixel aren't solvable (quick settings, no third camera).

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

It all comes down to personal preferences and experiences, so I'm glad you had a good time

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[–] ChiefSinner@lemm.ee 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Non- phone carrier variants of Google Pixels because of Grapheme OS. The crap that Verizon pumps out blocks the boot loader to be unlocked, but the ones google and amazon sells can do OEM boot loader unlocks.

Edit: also want to point out, pixels usually get the most updates out of all androids. So long as its in the support window, google will update drivers and kernels for it.

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[–] oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 28 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Used pixel, install grapheneos

used because it's better environmentally than buying new

grapheneos because it's more secure and private than stock android

[–] infinitevalence@discuss.online 4 points 2 years ago

I do something the same, I buy last gen or gen before phones used on Swappa and then install Lineage OS so I can have a stable, updated, and efficient phone.

I would say about 9h of screen on time for a Pixel 5 on its original OEM battery is not to bad.

[–] beaubbe@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have had a pixel 5 and 6 and both died within 2 years. They would both hard crash and shut off for a bit and eventually stop powering up altogether. I never had that issue with other brands. I ended going back to samsung with an S23 and it works fine for now.

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[–] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

The Pixel is the best you're going to do in 2023.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

All overpriced. Keep using your 2019 phone, install a custom ROM if you want a refresh.

[–] equinox@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I also love my Oneplus 7 Pro, currently running crDroid (on Android 13, based on Lineage). It is updated semi-weekly and maintained by one person. It gets the latest security updates, but I am unable to relock the bootloader, if that is relevant to your threat model.

I'm probably going to do a battery swap soon and really want to use this phone until it breaks!

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[–] berg@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No security updates though.

[–] Hephoh2@feddit.de 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lineageos keeps merging the updates.

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[–] happyhippo@feddit.it 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Get a Pixel.

It just works

For real tho...

[–] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Just make sure to install Graphene.

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[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

A lot of these recommendations are for super privacy focused anti-Google setups or other niche concerns.

If you just want a nice, straightforward phone, that's going to do normal phone things, and have security updates for a long time...

The pixel 8 is quite compelling.

[–] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I have a Pixel 7. I love it.

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[–] jrburkh@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I see OnePlus in the top comments. I was a OnePlus fanboi from day one. From one through ten, I think I only missed one serious - otherwise, I bought some iteration of every series during that span. I honestly couldn't say exactly why at the moment, so maybe this comment is trash, but after my OnePlus 10 Pro 5G or whatever the specific name was, I swapped over to the Pixel 7 Pro, and refuse to look back at this point. I just upgraded to the 8 Pro and I have zero complaints.

If I had to venture a guess, part of the reason for the switch had to do with the gradual increase in price of the OnePlus flagship phones over time. I think the first one was something like $299, and was a solid phone, especially compared to the Samsung flagship at the time which was probably twice that, at least. At this point, OnePlus is pretty close to equal cost when comparing models with similar features. I like being on top of the newest software features, so with all else being more or less equal, the Pixel phones are where it's at. Of course, with Samsung cooperating with Google on phones being Android nekkid, maybe Samsung is worth a try?

TL;DR - OnePlus isn't worth it anymore. Go Pixel, or maybe Samsung. If you've got an especially itchy privacy concern, then don't ask me - sounds like other people got you covered there.

Edit: just looked up the Fairphone, and its sustainability angle is intriguing...

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[–] nerdschleife@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Wouldn't recommend Oneplus anymore.

At the high end, Samsung has been pretty solid with their S lineup. The FE models are a good compromise as well. Pixels are a hit or miss, I'd recommend waiting for issues to surface before deciding on the 8/8 pro.

On the more budget - midrange side of things, Motorola has been doing a fairly solid job. They do have a lot of models, so some youtube videos should give you a fair idea on what's right for you.

[–] berg@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Why wouldn't you recommend OnePlus though? I have a 9 pro which I enjoy. I really don't miss the Samsung's bloatware.

[–] nerdschleife@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Severe inconsistent quality issues in both software and hardware, treating their customers as beta testers, random motherboards dying, etc.

They are still riding the 'flagship killer' wave, but they are just as overpriced as Samsung, while offering unfinished products.

[–] Lord_ToRA@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago
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[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Have you checked out our awesome 2023 phone buying guide on the sidebar of !android@lemmy.world?

If you want a quick recommendation, Zenfone 10 looks great and is very underrated.

[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Thank you! I hadn't seen this community. I'll definitely check it out!

[–] Treevan@aussie.zone 16 points 2 years ago

A Pixel (with long security updates) because GrapheneOS is the operating system to use.

It's limiting but that's the way it is.

[–] lietuva@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Op7pro user here too. Its been 4 years already and at this point im just going to keep using this phone until its unbearable to use. Ive dunked it in river, smashed many back covers. At this point its not about being sustainable or something, but im genuinely interested how long can i withstand replacement. I dont mind having no 5g,since 4g with full bars is pretty fast already. All these phones currently in the market would be very incremental upgrade, unless you're going flagship range which is around 1k. I want to see smaller phones to come back. Sadly, phone manufacturers are pushing foldables, so it very rare to see any smaller than 5.5" phone for sale. If i were to upgrade now, probably id choose asus zenfone 9/10, pixel 8 with all these promissed 7 year updates.

[–] StijnVVL@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I have the same feeling. Using a 5+ year old OP6 and still good battery life and overall performance. The only reason why I want change is because of security updates having stopped already for quite some time. I'm hesitant to jailbreak and install clean android because of banking apps.

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[–] zecg@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

I look into it, but can't seem to buy anything not Motorola. They're reasonably clean out of the box, have good batteries and survive getting wet even with no IP rating. Using Moto G52 currently.

[–] undrwater@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was (am?) in the same dilemma. Loved my 7 pro, but someone dropped it, cracked the screen, and things started going downhill (hardware wise) from there.

As a replacement I got an 8t (still OnePlus). It's nice, but I miss the 7 pro.

OnePlus is no longer an enthusiast brand, and I think the Pixel is the only other one currently. Maybe the Nothing phone? That's kind of early adopter territory still, I think.

Sorry I'm not more helpful. I prefer phones with unlocked bootloaders that allow for alternate firmware to be installed.

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[–] Kalladblog@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Fairphone or probably something else along those lines. Having the ability to hot swap broken parts or sinply upgrade is a pretty bug pro.

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[–] MudMan@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I've never been an Apple guy and I stopped finding Samsung acceptable after the S10. My answer has been to go to Sony's Xperia 1 line. I have a 1 IV and, honestly, I'm pretty happy with it. Point and shoot photos aren't great on it, it really is meant for manual photography, but it's not bad, either. The reasons I went for it were the form factor, the lack of a notch or punch-hole, the external SD card support, the physical 3.5mm jack and the front firing stereo speakers. It's nuts what you can get when you don't obsess with not having zero bezels.

The downside is... well, I don't trust Sony for long term support, either. It helps that their phones are very similar outside of updating to the latest processors, but they clearly aren't super focused on software updates, if that's your priority.

But yeah, hey, screw Samsung, Google, Apple and their dumb ecosystems and actively removed basic features. This thing is easy to use one-handed, has very solid hardware and is not a clone of those three despite having flagship internals. It's expensive, but I'm also gonna use it for multiple years, so I have no regrets about it at the moment.

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[–] kewwwi@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Samsung Galaxy A54 proved to be good value while I was waiting for a repair , but I love my S23Ultra.

[–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

have been using a Fairphone 4 for over a year now, the FP5 seems to improve in nearly every way despite still missing a headphone jack. at least you won't have to worry about software support. only really available in Europe though. in the US you can get a FP4 with /e/OS through Murena. really recommend it.

[–] OddFed@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago

Fairphone 5 for all the reasons

[–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago

Its a bit pointless to ask for android suggestions without any specifications. There are way too many good ones to count but can be very few depending on your needs and budget.

Depends on your needs - do you need a good camera? 5g? Sd card slot? Oled vs lcd screen? Etc etc.

Price to features, I like the Poco F3 (f4, f5 maybe f6 is out now?). Xiaomi 14 has some phones that compete with Samsung. Redmi sits below them.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you like your phone, and want continued support... flash LineageOS. You can keep all your google stuff if you want to with it. OnePlus is one of the easier phones to do this with.

[–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago

Or it used to be. Recent models after the merger are not officially supported but I guess unofficial builtds can be found on XDA or telegram groups.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

I just picked up a Sony Xperia 1 V, and so far I'm happy with it. It's snappy as can be, and the camera is absolutely fantastic.

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