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I'm asking for public policy ideas here. A lot of countries are enacting age verification now. But of course this is a privacy nightmare and is ripe for abuse. At the same time though, I also understand why people are concerned with how kids are using social media. These products are designed to be addictive and are known to cause body image issues and so forth. So what's the middle ground? How can we protect kids from the harms of social media in a way that respects everyone's privacy?

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[–] FlyingSpaceCow@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Governments need to setup a digital ID using a trustless authenticator.

Government issues a one-time verified credential (tied to real identity verification, like a passport or SSN check). You get a cryptographic token on your device. When a platform needs to know "is this a real adult citizen?", you present a zero-knowledge proof — yes/no, nothing else. No name, no IP, no persistent identifier the platform can track. The government isn't contacted. The platform learns nothing except the answer to their question.

[–] modus@lemmy.world 1 points 36 minutes ago

Can I buy one of these Cryptographic Tokens on the dark web?

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

ban social media metrics and information trading/markets. make it a truly anonymous service like it was in the early 2000s.

if protecting children was the point they would stop corporations from identifying all users and selling their identities/profiles online.

but, protecting the children is NOT the point. the point is control of freedom of speech, or rather who gets to have the freedom of speech.

[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Most people don't want social media to be anonymous. They want to be themselves and connect with real people. How exactly is an anonymous tinder supposed to work?

[–] nuggsy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Blind dating

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

You can't, however you frame this issue there's going to be a sacrifice. We have to all digest this.

The best kind of sacrifice you can make though for the best outcome is to limit your child's screen-time, AND ALSO YOUR OWN. Spend more time together, practice what you preach, you are also a child being harmed by social media.

[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 20 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Stop. Giving. Them. Phones.

Stop whining. No they don't need one. NO THEY DON'T.

No.

No they're not special.

No they're not too busy. Neither are you.

No iPad either.

Stop. Shut up. No. Phones.

[–] ErevanDB@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 hours ago

I agree, if you limit "phones" to "smart phones and portable computers". There are reasons to give a kid a small, no internet dumbphone. But yes, don't give kids unrestricted access to the family PC, and DEFINITELY dont give them their own.

[–] YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

That's the tack I'm taking. My eldest goes to high school next year and most of his peers are automatically getting a smartphone at that point. He'll be 13. He can forget it. A dumb phone at a push, for safety. That's it.

[–] moonshadow@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 hours ago

I like "if you want a phone you can buy one". If the kid's up to getting and keeping a job long enough to save for a phone and service, good for them, they just proved they should be treated that much more like an adult. If not, then hey. Something to work towards

I had a dumbphone at 14, but back then we just called them phones and I was definitely in the 1% for having it. Wasn't talking to my parents, bought it and a car to sleep in with drug money. Everyone grows up at a different pace

[–] Drasglaf@sopuli.xyz 1 points 12 hours ago

A dumb phone at a push, for safety.

I think that's a good compromise.

[–] BashakHimanself@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 hours ago

Just normalize talking about those online irl abuse/exploitation stuff instead of yelling at em nor grounding. And stop victim blaming even some of the professionals do that.

Maybe we should do normalize about talking about other stuff too, to body images in head including "problematic" ones to in some anormal/atypical attraction types to possible self diagnosed but not so loud neurodiversities such as realizing you are might be plural or have too specific kinds of ocd.

Ive seen many abusers online are aiming kiddies online with those stuff and since there are not much help and many stigma surrounding mental health and bs kind of therapists that does victim blaming, they will have either to go online with predators watching em and prey on them for those vulnerabilities thrn thus preds will shift blame to those kids or smth.

Ive seen kids young as 12 or smth in some high risk mental health communities. You can tell someone did not wanted em but predators def do. Basically do not give birth to kids if you cant accept em in any way, if you think your kid becoming dangerous after some time, methinks you are also responsible for some aspects of it if they are under some of age.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

The German passport allows services to verify age through you NFC reading your passport on your phone and confirmation of validity through intermediates state service. All they see is a confirmation of age requirement met. No name, no age, no address, no face.

Some other countries have similar systems. It's already a EU directive to be implemented on a broader European level.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 hours ago

How would that work online? How would they confirm it's your passport, and that it's a real passport that was really scanned (instead of a browser plugin)?

[–] ageedizzle@piefed.ca 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

This sounds like a much better strategy than the Australian model of simply scanning your face and using AI to guess your age

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

Burn it with fire?

Honestly there needs to be an honor system in place for the internet.

I think access needs to be granted through some branching moderation. Like one person vouches for two and they can then vouch for two each. If ever one person is found doing wrong, that whole branch gets skewered at the person who vouched for them.

Sure its not perfect but it's a system that doesn't immediately jeopardize your anonymity.

[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago

Lmao, now you've created a perfect relationship map for advertising/tracking who knows who.

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[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Funny seeing this comment on a social media platform

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This isn't a platform dunce.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Lemmings are so dumb, I love you guys. The fediverse is literally a network of social media platforms, dunce. But hey, let's pretend you're right.

Oh no! I said the wrong word! I guess this is a social media network, not a platform, which completely destroys the point of my comment, right? God I wish you people could read

[–] epicshepich@programming.dev 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The book The Anxious Generation by Jonathan Haidt had a really clever idea. Create a regulation for operating systems that requires that their parental controls include an option that labels a device as belonging to a kid. When that option is toggled, requests will include some sort of header that labels the request as originating from a kid. Then, place onus (probably through some sort of legislation) on web platforms to restrict what content is shown to kids.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

consider though - politicians nowadays don't think. they think so little, in fact, that the last time i checked websites for self harm/sexual assault support or reporting were considered "too adult" for kids to have access to in the UK

if it was about kids' safety, this wouldn't have been omitted

[–] epicshepich@programming.dev 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind that this tide of "think of the kids" is just a fascist dogwhistle (and one with a double-entendre at that).

[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

You should read the Anxious Generation. It goes into a lot of detail on research showing the damage social media has had on an entire generation. It's pretty undeniable that something needs to be done to stop/control social media's influence on children and teens in their crucial development years. There are some people that are definitely using it as a cover for control, but there are plenty of well educated people that see a real problem and are trying to do the best they can to find a solution.

[–] epicshepich@programming.dev 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I mentioned it in my original comment! I thoroughly enjoyed it. As an older member of Gen Z, a lot of what's written there jives with my lived experience and the intuitions I've developed around social media. And as a relatively young father, I'm also invested in figuring out how to give my kids the healthiest relationship with the online world possible.

I'm also a strong proponent of digital freedom and privacy. A lot of the age verification technology that's being rolled is tied to companies like Palantir or organizations like DHS, which seem to have a rather unambiguous interest in neither the freedom nor the privacy (nor really the general wellbeing) of the populace.

I'm of the opinion that any system that could enable or facilitate mass surveillance is not an acceptable solution to the problem of protecting kids online.

The idea I laid out in my original comment was inspired by the idea Jonathan Haidt presents in Chapter 10 (What Governments and Tech Companies Can Do Now), Section 3 (Facilitate Age Verification), 6th paragraph:

There is not, at present, any perfect method of implementing a universal age check. There is no method that could be applied to everyone who comes to a site in a way that is perfectly reliable and raises no privacy or civil liberties objections.[26] But if we drop the need for a universal solution and restrict our focus to helping parents who want the internet to have age gates that apply to their children, then a third approach becomes possible: Parents should have a way of marking their child’s phones, tablets, and laptops as devices belonging to a minor. That mark, which could be written either into the hardware or the software, would act like a sign that tells companies with age restrictions, “This person is underage; do not admit without parental consent.”

[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

You should listen/read Steve Gibson's podcast episode from Security Now that goes over Zero Knowledge Proofs: https://www.grc.com/sn/sn-1034.htm

It seems like the ideal solution that can be implemented if we take the time to do it right.

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