You don't even have to be depressed, exercize is great for your mood, energy levels, and feeling of well being. I started running distance again some ten years back and felt way better, and also quit drinking, not that I was trying to quit, but it just doesn't go well with running. I didn't want to drink after doing 10 miles, got a dog to bring along, it did wonders for my well being.

The first 20 minutes is hard to get going, after that then endorphines kick in, and you feel great. Just start slow, and the speed will come later.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

No amount of exercise ever helped my lifelong depression. Maybe it's the generic mutation that keeps me from metabolizing vitamin B correctly, or maybe it's the childhood (mostly psychological) abuse, or the need for actual antidepressants and mood stabilizers to keep me from wanting to kill myself.

But sure, maybe fucking jogging could fix it.

Oh wait, it did say "mild" depression. Well carry on I guess.

[–] HoopyFrood@lemmy.zip 8 points 23 hours ago

What you are describing is absolutely not “mild depression”. I have seasonal and mild depression and exercising is absolutely a cure-all for me, when winter is running a bit too long i start getting back into running to get out of having to otherwise be on antidepressants seasonally.

My wife, on the other hand, has depression like you describe, and she requires a lot of support to keep her afloat. This article is definitely not talking to target your situation. I am so sorry you have to experience life the way you do, i hope for the treatments and support you find to bring the right balance for you to experience the full breadth of the joys of life

[–] hector@lemmy.today 1 points 16 hours ago

What is this connection of B vitamins to mood and depression? I never learned them all, I know there are a bunch of them and they are hard to get enough of on some diets. They add some of them to flour for that reason, the enriched part.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 day ago

Well you seem to be doing alright now so there's that.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 20 hours ago

Ever since I've made time every week to do like 3 of my hobbies, I've been amazing

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

If you are too depressed to exercise, try humming.

[+] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

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[–] SGGeorwell@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Similar studies get reposted year after year because the results are valid. I didn’t start running regularly until the day I almost killed myself. I decided running would be good to help get that feeling out of my chest. It’s been fairly effective for years. I still get depressed, but it’s more mild.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably why it says mild in the title. Running regularly has certainly helped me and my mood.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Regular exercise makes you feel better, look better, and be able to do more things. The fact that half the thread is talking about how they're too depressed to try exercising is really telling that they probably haven't tried exercising.

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Right, they are too depressed to try exercising, so they have not tried exercising. That is practically a tautology, so I am not sure what your point is.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I have been in a persistent depressive state for over 20 years, and the thing is that they're physically capable of doing it. You basically have to convince yourself that you don't have a choice but to at least go for a walk or something.

I'm not saying it's easy, but the only one stopping you is you. I occasionally get off track on my workouts and I have to force myself to get back into it. It's not easy, but it's absolutely achievable.

And you don't have to start big. Go walk to the end of your driveway or the office of your apartment complex or something. Do anything, even if it's only for 5 minutes. Then start adding a minute each day. Eventually you'll start looking forward to doing it.

And the great part about telling yourself, "I'm just going to do this for 5 minutes," is that very often after 5 minutes you really don't want to stop (also helps with ADHD and chores)

One thing that helped me a lot is my therapist repeating that I drive my brain, not the other way around. That, and 'don't believe everything you think'.

My brain is telling me I don't have the energy to workout, but I know it's full of shit.

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So it sounds like, by definition, you were not too depressed to try exercising because you did it. Go you?

Also, a lot of people simply do not get anything out of exercising, unfortunately; it never stops being uncomfortable tedium that brings no improvement in their mood.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Right, there's no one size fits all solution. But the idea that you're too depressed to do anything is a self fulfilling prophecy. You're fully capable; your brain is just telling you that you're not.

It does take practice to acknowledge and internalize that your brain is lying to you and to set those thoughts aside (which is what Mindfulness is). It's not like I woke up one day and said, "My depression is cured so I'll go exercise."

It took therapy and months of false starts to get to the point where I could force myself to do it on a regular basis. But the only person stopping me was me.

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, but I think that my point still stands that if one is too depressed to exercise, then exercise is not the solution to the depression. You yourself have just said that you had to use other techniques first to get to the point where you were able to exercise.

Also, very importantly, I really think you need to reject the thinking of "the only one stopping you is you", both in yourself and in the advise you give to others, because makes it seem like the problem is a lack of willpower, and I think that telling people that they just need to try harder to fight their brain will just cause them to dig in. Furthermore, since you have been practicing mindfulness, you know that there is no "self" at the core but just a collection of mental processes, and that thinking of there being a "self" at the core actually causes harm by creating a false narrative about the way that the mind works which makes it harder to guide it in a better direction. Telling people that there is a "you" that is the one stopping things from happening reinforces this misconception. The better thing to do is just to speak from your own personal experience of watching your mind and seeing how many of the things that were holding you back were just appearances, and once you came to appreciate that, their hold on you was loosened.

Finally, a lot of people have (very roughly speaking) brain chemistry issues, and all the therapy and mindfulness in the world can only help so much with that.

My general advice would be to be very wary of projecting your personal experiences onto others, even when you are sincerely trying to help (which I believe that you are!)

[–] HoopyFrood@lemmy.zip 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I’m not sure that “too depressed to exercise” is a medically recognized state short of being bedridden and comatose, so unless one is unable to get out of the bed to go to the bathroom saying “i’m too depressed to exercise” is just words being used to justify not going for a walk

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 23 hours ago

You are denying the existence of clinical depression?

[–] osanna@thebrainbin.org 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I was walking every day for months on end. It did nothing for my mood. Not just casual walking, I was speed walking. My hear rate was pretty high while walking. It did nothing for me, so i lost all motivation

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You likely need to do something more strenuous than walking.

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not just casual walking, I was speed walking. My hear rate was pretty high while walking.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, you might need something more strenuous. If speed walking was getting your heart rate to the target zone, then it's possible you weren't in good enough shape to see the mental health benefits.

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or... maybe not everyone's brain works the same way?

[–] HoopyFrood@lemmy.zip 0 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

If exercise doesn’t work for you then you can now deduce with more confidence that your depression is not mild.

Exercise works for me, my depression is mild. I require a lot of running, no amount of power walking pulls me out of a funk, i need 3 or 4 days of doing 20-40 minute runs to get to the good place. If it’s not helping or you can’t then you definitely need medical and social support to get out of the hole. This article, and thus the discussion was not intended to belittle anyone who finds exercise does not help them.

I, personally, found the article encouraging because it reminds me that i need to be better about my exercise routines to stay in better mental health. This article is trying to talk to my circumstance, hence the words “mild depression”

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 23 hours ago

This article, and thus the discussion was not intended to belittle anyone who finds exercise does not help them.

However, people making the claim that they are too depressed to exercise are being belittled. For example, to quote another comment:

I’m not sure that “too depressed to exercise” is a medically recognized state short of being bedridden and comatose, so unless one is unable to get out of the bed to go to the bathroom saying “i’m too depressed to exercise” is just words being used to justify not going for a walk

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

It's funny how people can be so different.

I personally love the feeling of exercising, so unless I am experiencing severe anhedonia—which has happened in the past when I was on a lower dosage of antidepressant—then it always bursts my mood while I am doing it, which provides significant motivation. However, exercise does nothing for my wife except to make her feel sweaty and unpleasant, so she feels no motivation to do it, and even though I understand this intellectually I still have trouble "getting" it.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Do something that will help
Blame someone else for the problem

(Both buttons meme)

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

Exercise helps me with my mild depression.

There’s no need to read this so cynically.

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

MILD doesn't mean all. It may not work for you. It does work very well for some others.

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dealing with executive dysfunction? Try doing stuff!

[–] timeghost@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

but I

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It’s probably been at least 10 years since I’ve seen this, but there used to be a lot of idiots on forums, including Reddit, who would respond to posts about people being extremely depressed (like debating suicide) and they’d just say stupid shit like “have you tried exercise?”

Exercise certainly helps many people with depression but it is not a magic wand

[–] ThoGot@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

I mean here it's basically the other way around.

The article is talking about mild depression and people act as if exercise is proposed as a cure for severe depression which renders you unable to do anything.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's a valid question, though. Lifestyle changes, while definitely difficult, often have a huge impact on mental health.

It's really no different than asking if they tried medication.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago

Fuck me, you’re one of them.

No, it’s not at all like medication. This article literally reinforces that. It works for mild cases. Dysthymia maybe, not really clinical depression.

[–] MetalSlugX@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

It's almost like you didn't bother to read it

[–] funkajunk@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, bit of a discipline paradox.

I find what works for me is calling myself a pussy and/or a piece of shit and bully myself into it.

[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 6 points 1 day ago

I always think I'm a piece of shit so that doesn't help. Hating myself into action doesn't work.

[–] Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

I don’t wanna admit it, but I kinda do this too.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Great advice that an unfortunate amount of people instantly discard.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Delivery might be part of it. The advice sounds very similar to the typical "if you want to be less depressed, just don't be depressed" or "you don't need bottle of something that rattles, you need a pair of sneakers and fresh air" business, so a lot of people automatically file it away under the same category.

Something like what the researchers suggested, where even moving a little bit helps, and it doesn't replace medication, though it may make it more effective, is better, but a lot of people will just read the headline and move off.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 3 points 23 hours ago

Also, insurance doesn't cover any of it. I need someone to show me how to exercise in a way that doesn't make my joints angry. I had to quit sports as a teenager when my knee came out of place, and nobody's been able to show me how to be active without my joints going in directions they're not supposed to.

[–] greybeard@feddit.online 2 points 1 day ago

There are a lot of things people can do to help with depression, many don't even take physical effort. "Talk to family" is technically very easy, but when you are depressed, it's a huge challenge, even if you know it will make you feel better.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not long ago I was talking to someone I know who struggles with depression and has always had a hard time motivating to exercise. They were talking about how their current living situation makes it really hard for them to exercise in a natural way, like going for a walk, because their location is not suitable for that. But they were looking forward to moving soon so they could solve that problem. And I said “That’s great, and I hope it works out. But I just want to point out how you have just given yourself a blanket excuse not to exercise until you move.” There’s no date set to move. It was totally just pushing the problem into the future in a self-serving but also self-harming way.

Some people don’t like hearing that they have more influence over how their life goes than any other single person in the world. I mean that’s a lot of responsibility to carry.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My therapist's two favorite quotes are, "You drive your brain, not the other way around," and, "Don't believe everything you think." They both are based on Mindfulness, which really can help a tremendous amount.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I guess science has been giving us some evidence to the contrary. But what can we do except try?