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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 125 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Subaru states that by being a passenger, you are considered a user — and by being a user, you have consented to their privacy policy. Several car brands also note that it is a driver’s responsibility to tell passengers about the vehicle's privacy policies.

No way that holds up in court. But in what situation would that appear in court unless someone has money to burn?

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This kind of shit is what makes me not want an EV, that and I guess the ease of repair but that could change with proper regulation and resources. I'm all for EVs but my current relatively effecient ICE car doesn't spy on me and that's important as well.

[–] Steve@communick.news 74 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

It's got nothing to do with EVs.
It's all cars made in the last 6-8 years.

[–] pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It sort of has something to do with EVs, in that it's hard to find EVs made before this was standard, so if you're looking for cars without it it's hard to find one that doesn't have an ICE engine.

(Where cars aren't avoidable, I do prefer they be electric, as, I'm sure, do many, but the privacy concerns are apparently very real.)

(Edit: hydrogen cars are indeed very neat and more environmentally friendly than electric cars, and in the most ideal scenario what unavoidable car/truck/van usage there was would be hydrogen-powered. It is not AFAIK practical for the average consumer at this time and requires substantial infrastructure updates which the individual consumer can't really do much about beyond lobbying reps, so when it comes down to an individual who does need a car weighing what kind of vehicle to buy, I think it is fair to say that electric cars are better than ICE for the environment but, due to being newer, have more privacy concerns than old ICE vehicles. Neither is as good on either criterion as being able to just go car-free, of course.)

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

If it makes you feel better, EVs aren't a real solution to the problems we face anyways, public transport was always the solution and EVs was a way to get consumers to keep focusing on individualism and consumerism to solve societal problems.

Edit: So many replies falling over themselves about how EVs are a good "baby step". They're not. Hydrogen fuel cells is a good baby step. EVs are still extremely extractivist. Lithium batteries are very bad, environmentally speaking. Hydrogen is significantly cleaner. It is avoided because it would require unprofitable infrastructure to be rolled out to support hydrogen vehicles.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Rural places and bigots will still need or want personal cars. Some things like a trades work van or delivery service will still need a car/truck. These might as well be developed as electric. EVs are not the solution to our transportation and environmental issues but they are part of it.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

EVs aren't the perfect solution. But they're less bad than ICE vehicles, and are a good interim measure unless/until public transport becomes more viable.

Don't let the best get in the way of the good enough for now. It's OK to be in favor of two things.

[–] pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I am 100% in favor of density, non-car-centric urban development, active mobility and rock-solid public transit -- I am on this community for a reason, after all, and I further do not drive. But I acknowledge that there are some cases where cars are important for trade work, hauling, etc., as well as where buses are the better option for transit, and in those cases I believe that the vehicle should be electrified. It may only be like 5% of the solution, but it's a part of the solution nevertheless.

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[–] apftwb@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This kind of shit makes me want to build an EV using a kit.

[–] Batmorous@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

This makes me want open source community-made vehicles. Who else is with me on that?

[–] pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Any recommendations? Not sarcasm, I genuinely wanna know.

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[–] FEIN@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

everytime WE get into a car with our friends we ALWAYS read the privacy policy aloud to them right guys

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[–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 87 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The very worst offender is Nissan. The Japanese car manufacturer admits in their privacy policy to collecting a wide range of information, including sexual activity, health diagnosis data, and genetic data — but doesn’t specify how. They say they can share and sell consumers’ “preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes” to data brokers, law enforcement, and other third parties.

What the actual fuck

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

iirc this got removed shortly after it got attention

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

and not before it was produced? press x to doubt they actually removed it... If there's no independent research and we can't have the CEO's own data, then take it with a big grain of salt

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I'm not sure what you mean, but I meant you could no longer find the bit about collecting sex related data on the nissan site after mozilla made that article. I read some of them before and I'm not 100% but I'm pretty sure I read that section, but when I shared the article with people it was gone from the car maker site by then.

[–] sep@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you have the url. Have you looked for it on the wayback internet archive?

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[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

a wide range of information, including sexual activity,

404 :(

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 77 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I hate the world we’re building.

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 64 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I hate the world they’re forcing us to consent to live in.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They don't want you to know this, but members of the ruling class are human and therefore actually very easy to remove from power. You just take all of the goo out of them and that generally works.

They're not even forcing us to consent. They're forcing us without our consent and then claiming we consented by not having any other choice.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Then revoke your consent insofar as you are able

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[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is why if you buy a car, you should get a "dumb" car.

[–] dusty_raven@discuss.online 11 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Serious question, what is the best solution to this? My household has three cars, the newest is from 2008. It makes me nervous as to what to do if I wanted a "new" car (I'd never buy an actual new car, just new to me and made in the last ten years).

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

We need to find a way to cripple cars' connectivity.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If the data is stored in the car, that just changes the timing of the privacy breach, not its existence.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

It's even trickier with EVs.

On the one hand you can charge your EV at home and no one knows about it.

On the other, you can't pay for a public charger with cash, there's always a trail. Cars have unique identifiers that are communicated to the charger when connected. Each time you charge in public they know exactly who are you and what car it is.

[–] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

State sponsored surveillance Flock cameras photographed the chat.

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[–] elgordino@fedia.io 18 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

This is why I drive a 20 year old car.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 7 points 2 weeks ago

I do because I'm fuckin' broke. But this is a nice benefit.

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[–] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Y’all just need to stop being selfish and think about the shareholders.

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[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

i wonder if snipping off your car's modem completely stops the flow of data. like sure, your car's CPU is still gathering that data but they have no way to retrieve it. unless you visit a dealership or authorized mechanic shop?

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 13 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Ding ding. Airgaps get broken when you bring it to the dealer, they plug it in, and it downloads and uploads all your data.

You gotta neuter the sensors

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

maybe it's different here in Europe, but why not avoid dealerships all-together? do you just not have third party mechanic shops?

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[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Here's some tips:

  1. Sticking to this community's name, ditch the automobile all together and adopt a hybrid approach of cycling and public transit. Buy and/or build a good bike or e-bike and learn the local bus route and/or routes of any other public transit.

  2. For those of us still stick in Der Orangenführer's fascist regime, stick to cars made before 2012. Some cars were going to high tech before this but it's bond to be outdated but check if it's still used.

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[–] Batmorous@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

Time for opensourcevehicles and opensourcetransit to become a thing. I'm one of many people interested in doing that. Anyone have spitball ideas on how to go about doing that?

Trying to think up some simpler first projects, how to get it funded, and how to get a community for that up and running

Also, some people were interested in making opensourcebusiness community. If anyone is still interested then please do it there was 7 people I remember that were interested at the time for that

We can also get opensourceanimation, opensourceuiux, and way more up and running. To slowly transform our world and get open source to grow even more

Edit: Would be cool for people to get community projects made for bikes, electric bikes, bike-cars, cars, VTOL's, and way more overtime. Trams, trolleys, trains, high speed rail, airplanes, submarines, airships, etc

Edit 2: Main focus being people-focused transit. Didn't realize I was in fuckcars. If we are going to have any transit might as well be open source especially EV's

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I would assume an open source e-bike would probably be the place to start.

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[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 7 points 2 weeks ago

I love the spirit! I think about open sourcing vehicles all the time, but unfortunately I think the biggest hurdle might be in what constitutes a street-legal vehicle.

Even though there's lots of dangerous problems with closed source cars, I'm pretty sure there's some litany of safety / engineering standards that manufacturers have to meet, as well as passing "smog tests" in many places. (EVs still on the table tho...?)

So, an open source vehicle would be more transparent, which would be a huge win! But also if it was a community initiative like say, RepRap, I imagine there'd be a lot of red tape with user-designed or hypothetically 3D printed cars or somesuch, especially when it comes to safety standards.

The biggest worries I'd have would be how much interest such projects would get from safety engineers and other pros who know how to make the thing not kill the user.

Am I way off? I'd love to hear I'm wrong and there's plenty of hope for this to be a thing. I really hate modern car manufacturers. They all suck. Their proprietary lock-in and user-hostile attitude sucks. We need better. :)

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[–] liffeyman@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

got to love GDPR

[–] gratux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago

The smartest chip in my 2001 VW Golf is the automatic climate control.

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