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    [–] brckd@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    what if you didn't even want to, but god still says so

    [–] ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)
    [–] HerbalGamer@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)
    [–] ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 years ago

    This is before you ever see the desktop. You HAVE to do it. It's part of the Windows installation now.

    [–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago

    Windows update: hold my beer

    [–] junezephier@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I did a fresh install of 11 recently and it took heckin forever after restrating like twice and doing lots of "setup"

    It was a great processor and on a decent ssd, so i do think they've just increased how long the setup takes

    [–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Oldest developer trick in the book. Program in a bunch of useless delays everywhere. On the next few updates, slowly remove them and say you are "improving" the system.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago

    Just use windows 10 in a vm

    [–] Dutchdodo@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago

    If our planning is anything to go by: easily half an hour longer than 10, if you do a manual install.

    [–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/linux/install

    Only want to run Linux as your primary operating system? If you are good with a slightly more complicated install process and don't need access to Windows tools (like Outlook, Teams, Word, PowerPoint, etc), you can run Linux on bare metal to access the full potential of your hardware without any overhead from virtualization or emulation.

    [–] bestonecrazy@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago

    They know they cannot stop those determined. So they worded some parts to try to make it sound like "it will inconvenience you and Linux is hard" so that people are like "Ok, I will not do it if it is hard".

    [–] Johanno@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    Funny, but did you manage to install it on a way too old pc or are you using hdd as System drive?

    Because it just seems to install as normal, but slowly.

    I mean Linux may take the same time if you install sth like popos which ads a lot of "bloat"

    [–] ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    This is on an M.2 with a i7-10870H and a 3080M. I installed Windows some days ago on my main Desktop and didn't have to deal with any of that. It must be a new "feature".

    [–] Johanno@feddit.de 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Well then I wonder what the fuck Windows is doing? Running crypto miners?

    [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

    Would you put it past Microsoft?

    [–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 8 points 2 years ago

    When I had to reinstall Windows 11 on a laptop at work with an 11th Gen i7 it took a good 30+ minutes of it faffing about between finishing the setup wizard and reaching the deskfop and when I to installed PopOS on a much older laptop with a 6th Gen i7 it took less than 5 minutes to perform the install

    [–] papabobolious@feddit.nu -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Pop took like 5 min on my old crappy m.2

    [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    There’s no such thing as an old crappy m.2. That format is way too new to be called old and crappy. Ide hdds are old and crappy, some sata are old and crappy, m.2 is not even old and certainly not crappy

    [–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    There are definitely crappy M.2 drives. Drives with no cache, slow nand, slow processors, and awful TBW. They’ll be light years faster than a hard drive, but if they fail in a year then are they not crappy?

    [–] papabobolious@feddit.nu 1 points 2 years ago

    Sure there are. It's several years old and was low spec already then. You know the timeline of m.2 seemingly so you should be aware what old and crappy means in the context of m.2's age.

    [–] metaStatic@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    There's a world of difference between SATA and NVMe.

    [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    And neither are old or crappy. Any m.2 format drive does not deserve to be called either. That just reeks of entitlement to consider any m.2 bad, just sounds like a kid that never used anything actually bad

    [–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    M.2 can be anything, from the crappiest SATA to the best NVME money can buy

    [–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 5 points 2 years ago

    Any modern SATA SSD will still nearly max out the bus in sequential writes, delivering sequential performance ~3x that of a spinning disk and random performance, even for the cheapest of drives, at >100x a disk.

    Installing windows is not generally going to be enough to fill the drive write buffer, and even if it does, they're still going to be comparable to spinning rust. This is a problem that affects low quality (not necessarily cheap) drives, both SATA and NVME.

    [–] H2207@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

    The last 30 minutes of peace until chaos and disorder.

    [–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 8 points 2 years ago

    Installing Debian took like 5 mins, doing all the configuration and stuff.

    [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Isn't that just updating from the internet? What if you disconnect it?

    [–] ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    I think if you've connected to the net while installing you're done for. XD

    [–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    You can bypass the network and MS account requirement using a registry entry. Thankfully, they included a handy script that will do it for you, located at C:\Windows\System32\OOBE\bypassnro.bat. The easiest way to run it is

    1. Press Shift+F10 during the OOBE. This should bring up Command Prompt.
    2. Type oobe\bypassnro (no spaces, case insensitive).
    3. The computer should now restart.
    4. Unplug any network cables.
    5. When prompted to connect to a network, you will now see “Not now”. Click it and proceed.

    Bonus tips:

    1. When creating a local account, use a short name without spaces, ideally one that won’t doxx you if leaked. I use cnc. You can change the displayed name (but not Users folder name) later. Read more about this in the last paragraph.
    2. Once you’re on the desktop, copy winutil-main.zip you get from this GitHub repo’s ZIP download onto your new PC. You can now eject and use your installation/recovery flash drive to transfer the file, it won’t interfere with its functionality. Follow instructions on the repo’s page for running it.
    3. Uninstall bloat like Spotify; disable telemetry, Microsoft Edge etc. using Winutil’s GUI while you're still offline.
    4. Only now connect the network cable or Wi-Fi.
    5. Use Winutil to quickly install some handy programs like a web browser, Classic Shell, VS Codium, Notepad++, Git, Krita, GIMP, Steam etc. (your choice) from official repos.
    6. Use Explorer Patcher to restore Explorer’s (mainly taskbar) functionality that got removed after 8.1 (clicked clock shows seconds, semitransparent non-blurring taskbar that can be enabled in Classic Shell).

    Bonus trick for installation, which comes in handy before you start OOBE: Unlike Linux, when asked to select partition to install to, you cannot repartition your disk in the GUI. But you can do that from another OS, or even right there: press Shift+F10 to bring up Command Prompt, run diskpart and follow guides online on how to use it. What you want is the following partitions:

    • At least 120 GiB (122882 “MB”) for Windows (C:, NTFS), more if you want to install modern games, on an SSD
    • A big round number of GiB for storage (to convert to “MB” (actually MiB), multiply by 1024 and add 2 to avoid Explorer showing an unsatisfying number like 499.99 “GB”) (D:, NTFS) next to the system partition or to an HDD
    • At least 50 GiB (51202 “MiB”) for installing Linux to later (don’t format), on an SSD
    • Maybe a backup partition on the HDD?

    You can change your username later but not paths like C:\Users\cnc\AppData\Local\Temp, spaces in which cause headaches. Also, move Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures and Videos to D: (look up how to do that).


    This is about how I go about doing a somewhat clean, safe install of Windows 11. No sus binaries involved. Yes, Linux is better and you should install it on its partition right away; then you can symlink your home folders to D:.

    [–] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Ayyy, another Greek, hello there!😄

    [–] ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
    [–] RoseRose56@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

    Is there a gathering for Greeks? Count me in!!!

    [–] aggelalex@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

    Ένα φρέντο σκέτο φιλαράκι

    [–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    God is doing you a favor :^)

    [–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)