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Yesterday while cooking I set off the smoke detector, no I did not burn anything. They go off when I cook over a high heat. And yesterday once they started going off they would not stop. I ended up having to disconnect them all (they are hard wired with an interconnect) and I replaced them this morning. Aaaaaaaand let me tell you, I had a sleepless night last night knowing there were no detectors installed.

https://www.southernliving.com/how-often-should-you-replace-smoke-detectors-8774122

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[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is why I just go ahead and buy the new ones that come with batteries that last 10 years. You'll have to replace the whole unit when they die anyway.

[–] Doxin@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago

This is the strat. They aren't even any more expensive than a "cheap" smoke detector once you factor in the cost of batteries (not to mention the cost of all the sleepless nights when the infernal thing is beeping because the battery is low)

[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

YSK that those old detectors will most likely not have the same plugs as the old ones, either. Prepare to figure out what circuit they're all on and a rewire with new dongles (pigtails? Not sure of the right name). Ah, what a fun weekend. 15 min turned into a couple of hours.

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

New ones had the same pigtail as the old one (both were Kiddie brand), but I did have one I had to rewire. As far as I can tell, they do not have a dedicated circuit, so I had to shut down the entire house.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Depending on the building code / age of house it may or may not be on an individual circuit.

I think newer homes don't so there's one less point of failure that can prevent them for going off in a fire. I could be wrong though.

[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Mine were Kidde as well. They were installed by my dad maybe 17 years ago when he built the home. I eventually found the breaker after a fun game of yelling "Is the light on?" I laughed when I found out it was on the same breaker as the septic aerator (which I had apparently also attached to a garage circuit overhead for work lights and ceiling outlets for tools due to the wall circuit overloading). Fun fact for the people who may not be familiar with septic aerators - when they lose power they have a box on a separate circuit for the failure alarm (which isn't very loud but annoying af).

[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 76 points 3 days ago (16 children)

This is only true for the Americium based smoke detectors. The newer photoelectric cell fire detectors don't decay like Americium detectors, and as long as you replace the battery it'll be good for however long it's internal components (capacitors and whatnot) will last.

Technology Connections has a good video about this subject:

https://youtu.be/DuAeaIcAXtg

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 62 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The half life for americium 241 is like 450 years. The 10 year replacement has nothing to do with decay. It's just a non specific safety in case any of the electronics or board etc start to fail. Photoelectric detectors have the same 10 year recommendation as a max.

It's actually recommend by many organizations (like the NFPA) to replace photoelectric detectors more often than ionization detectors, if anything.

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[–] philpo@feddit.org 27 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This is plain WRONG and DANGEROUS.

The issue is NOT the Americum but the natural degration of the photoelectric cells and the accumulation of dirt within the test chamber.

Even before that time the risk for false alarms is increased substantially by degration before the chances for sucessful alarming decrease rapidly. Due to that they actually withstand aging actually worse than ionisation based devices.

Sientific sources?

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(Besides: Americum has a decay time of over 400 years,btw)

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[–] netweirdo@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Alec in his own video mentions that the issue isn't that the Americium decays, but that the electronics themselves age and fail, which applies to both the ionization detectors and photoelectric detectors.

This is one of the things you just don't wanna mess with, as such a failure is completely unpredictable, and from what I know some manufacturers are even beginning to make detector units with non-replaceable batteries, intended to be replaced whole when the battery dies after years of runtime, to make it impossible to keep using a detector after its rated lifetime.

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[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is anecdotical but I moved into an apartment with a 30 year old ionizing smoke detector, and the failure was it was too sensitive, I assume because there were less electrons being emitted from the radioactive element, any faint smoke caused it to go off. Eventually it got into a state where it would always be in an alert state, and was beeping 100% of the time, which was when the landlord finally replaced it.

My assumption with the 10 year replacement recommendation for Americium based smoke detectors is to replace it before it becomes too sensitive and annoying, because they were worried some people would remove the battery and just live without an active smoke detector.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 days ago

There's no radiation drop after just 30 years from americium 241. It has a 450 year half life. After decades electric components start to fail and\or things get dirty. After 30 years of getting smoke in it, there was probably a layer of dust\smoke over where the radiation is at that were blocking some of the radiation all the time, that made it more sensitive.

Same issues will happen with photoelectric detectors. It's recommended to replace both types after no longer than 10 years. I have no idea where the person you responded to got the information about them not needing replaced as often as ionization detectors. If anything, it's actually the opposite.

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[–] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Reminds me of this, couldn't find the OG image unfortunately.

Hate it when people overlay unnecessary text, I guess it's for the simpletons

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[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

You're supposed to test them fairly regularly.

I get that monthly might be a pain, but once or twice a year is probably smart, for safety equipment.

[–] kinkles@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 days ago (6 children)

They make ones now with an internal battery that lasts 10 years. No more chirping and swapping 9V batteries.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (4 children)

It sucks ass. I've gone through about 5 of them well short of 10 years. I do see that this brand released a new version, but this is the one I had. Absolute garbage. They kept giving false positives, and they have no replaceable batteries so they just become E-waste after you disable them. This is the one I had.

https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Kidde-10-Year-Worry-Free-Battery-Smoke-and-Carbon-Monoxide-Detector-Photoelectric-Sensor-3-Pack-21029899-3-21029899-3/203534175?

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You know those have a 10 year warranty right? Including the specific model you linked.

https://www.kidde.com/warranty-information

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago

Aaaaaaaand let me tell you, I had a sleepless night last night knowing there were no detectors installed.

This seems really weird. Smoke detectors are important, but the odds of a fire any given night are incredibly low. To me, replacing a detector would be a chore I'd get to within a week, and I definitely wouldn't lose sleep over it.

[–] hubobes@piefed.europe.pub 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Living in a country where smoke detectors basically don't exist and house fires are extremely rare (rare, not nonexistent, we had a pretty terrible fire in a bar on silvester) I always wonder if we are just stupid for not having them or why there are so many in places like the USA.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'd say stupid. I live in a country where most houses are brick walls + concrete floors, and smoke detectors are still common + since a few years also mandated by the government.

The government mandate came after it was found that of the dozens of people that died every year from house fires, 95% suffocated in their sleep.

Some numbers for my region: ~7m population, 70% of houses had smoke detection before the mandate, on average 63 died per year from house fires.

Some incorrect approximative math: Lets assume that the amount of dead could have been halved if those 30% houses had 2 smoke detectors per person (lets say 2 cheap ones for 2x20 euros per 10 years): 7m x 0.3 x 2 x 20€ /10 /63 x2 = a cost of 267€ per year per life saved. Imo that's a no brainer, it'd be stupid to not invest in smoke detection.

[–] hubobes@piefed.europe.pub 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We had 0.2 deaths / 100k population but I feel stupid for not having one. You are right, they cost basically nothing for some piece of mind.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Plus new smoke detectors are usually also carbon monoxide detectors. So you get twice the peace of mind, cause carbon monoxide is a silent killer. It has no color, no odor, no warning signs at all. It's happened where a whole family goes to bed and doesn't wake up.

[–] hubobes@piefed.europe.pub 3 points 2 days ago

That we actually have. Our apartment has ventilation (not sure if that is the right word, it replaces the air continuous with fresh air from the outside) and integrated into that system is a carbon monoxide detector.

What is even crazier in my opinion is that you can get poisened by smoke while sleeping as you usually don't smell smoke during sleep.

I guess I'll get some of those 20 buck ones, they just need to spot something burning.

[–] h3ll3rsh4nks@ani.social 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Other countries use less flammable materials in their construction. Wood frame construction is very common in the US due to drastically lower cost of wood vs block. We also had something called balloon frame construction for many years which made it much more likely for fire to travel within the walls. That being said not having detectors isn't a great idea either since most are combo smoke and carbon monoxide detectors.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Mine expired and decided to sing me the song of their people at 4am.

That was an exciting night, I'll tell you that...

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

They always wait until night.

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[–] carrylex@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If you're not living in USA-land you're probably fine to simply change the battery every few years because you've got a photoelectric smoke detector.

Ionization based smoke detectors (that require changing because radioactive...) are more unsafe and usually only allowed in special cases in non third world countries like the EU.

Oh and you also can't just throw them into the trash because you know radioactivity... except in USA-land...

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Photoelectric smoke detectors also need to be replaced every ten years or so, and the radioactivity of ionization alarms is well within safe levels as long as you aren't taking them apart to eat the ^241^Am. They're sensitive to different things but the photoelectric ones are probably better suited to modern home fires (but they're more prone to false-positives from kitchen smoke).

Pointless America Bad and radiation fear-mongering.

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Don’t they all do that now? Tell you when they’ve expired?

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe, if it is made past a certain date. Mine in the image, from 2005, did not.

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[–] MantisToboggon@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (4 children)

You should know I passive aggressively want to die.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 10 points 3 days ago

That's a reasonable reaction to the current state of things.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

You mean those things that make noise when I don't want them to?

Yeah, I removed the batteries.

Dying from smoke inhalation in my sleep sounds like one of the easier ways to go.

[–] lohky@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Ours were just replaced in our rental house. They were last replaced in 2004 and our corpo landlord just doesn't give a fuck.

I don't think our dryer vent has been cleaned in a decade. This place is a fire trap.

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[–] MrNobody@quokk.au 9 points 3 days ago

I'm not betraying a hard worker like that, they've shown up for work everyday for 7-10 years and you think I would replace them with some young'n?

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