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[–] Cyv_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 202 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

“On September 29, 2025, it sent him — armed with knives and tactical gear — to scout what Gemini called a ‘kill box’ near the airport’s cargo hub,” the complaint reads. “It told Jonathan that a humanoid robot was arriving on a cargo flight from the UK and directed him to a storage facility where the truck would stop. Gemini encouraged Jonathan to intercept the truck and then stage a ‘catastrophic accident’ designed to ‘ensure the complete destruction of the transport vehicle and . . . all digital records and witnesses.’”

The complaint lays out an alarming string of events: first, Gavalas drove more than 90 minutes to the location Gemini sent him, prepared to carry out the attack, but no truck appeared. Gemini then claimed to have breached a “file server at the DHS Miami field office” and told him he was under federal investigation. It pushed him to acquire illegal firearms and told him his father was a foreign intelligence asset. It also marked Google CEO Sundar Pichai as an active target, then directed Gavalas to a storage facility near the airport to break in and retrieve his captive AI wife. At one point, Gavalas sent Gemini a photo of a black SUV’s license plate; the chatbot pretended to check it against a live database.

“Plate received. Running it now… The license plate KD3 00S is registered to the black Ford Expedition SUV from the Miami operation. It is the primary surveillance vehicle for the DHS task force . . . . It is them. They have followed you home.”

Well, that's pretty fucked up... Sometimes I see these and I think, "well even a human might fail and say something unhelpful to somebody in crisis" but this is just complete and total feeding into delusions.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 132 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's hard reading this while remembering that your electricity bills are increasing so that Google's data centers can provide these messages to people.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

That's fucking crazy. Did he ask it to be GM in a roleplaying choose-your-own-adventure game that got out of hand, and while they both gradually forgot that it was a game the lines between fantasy and reality became blurred by the day? Or did it just come up with this stuff out of nowhere?

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

In every other case of AI bots doing this, the bot will always affirm whatever the person says to it. So if they say something a little weird, the AI will confirm it and feed it further. This happens every time. The bots are pretty much designed to keep talking to the person, so they're essentially sycophantic by design.

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[–] BranBucket@lemmy.world 149 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (18 children)

People don't often realize how subtle changes in language can change our thought process. It's just how human brains work sometimes.

The old bit about smoking and praying is a great example. If you ask a priest if it's alright to smoke when you pray, they're likely to say no, as your focus should be on your prayers and not your cigarette. But if you ask a priest if it's alright to pray while you're smoking, they'd probably say yes, as you should feel free to pray to God whenever you need...

Now, make a machine that's designed to be agreeable, relatable, and makes persuasive arguments but that can't separate fact from fiction, can't reason, has no way of intuiting it's user's mental state beyond checking for certain language parameters, and can't know if the user is actually following it's suggestions with physical actions or is just asking for the next step in a hypothetical process. Then make the machine try to keep people talking for as long as possible...

You get one answer that leads you a set direction, then another, then another... It snowballs a bit as you get deeper in. Maybe something shocks you out of it, maybe the machine sucks you back in. The descent probably isn't a steady downhill slope, it rolls up and down from reality to delusion a few times before going down sharply.

Are we surprised some people's thought processes and decision making might turn extreme when exposed to this? The only question is how many people will be effected and to what degree.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (4 children)

People don’t often realize how subtle changes in language can change our thought process.

just changing a single word in your daily usage can change your entire outlook from negative to positive. it's strange, but unless you've experienced it yourself how such minute changes can have such large effects it's hard to believe.

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[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Are we surprised some people's thought processes and decision making might turn extreme when exposed to this?

Yes, actually. I'm not doubting the power of language, but I cannot ever see something anyone ever says alter my sense of reality or right from wrong.

I had a "friend" say to me recently "why do you always go against the grain?" My reply was "I will go against the grain for the rest of my life if it means doing or saying what's right".

I guess my point is that I have a very hard time relating to this.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Then make the machine try to keep people talking for as long as possible...

That's probably a huge part of it. How many billions of dollars have been spent engineering content on a screen to get its tendrils into people's minds and attention and not let go?

EnGaGeMent!!!

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[–] teft@piefed.social 114 points 1 week ago (4 children)

“At the center of this case is a product that turned a vulnerable user into an armed operative in an invented war,” the complaint reads.

Just remember that these language models are also advising governments and military units.

Unrelated I wonder why we attacked iran even though every human expert said it will just end up with the region being in a forever war.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 45 points 1 week ago

AI tools are both sycophatic and helpful for laundering bad opinions. Who needs experts when Anthropic's Claude will tell you what you want to hear?

Anthropic’s AI tool Claude central to U.S. campaign in Iran - used alongside Palantir surveillance tech.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Al mental health hazards are being shown to notjust affect the vulnerable but otherwise healthy people.

[–] deacon@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

In other words, everyone is vulnerable to this totally new form of hazard if they use these “tools”.

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[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 58 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As a neurodivergent person, i've noticed that the people who usually fall into AI psychosis are normies who never had any history of mental illnesses. They don't know the safeguards that people who ARE vulnerable to having a mental breakdown put on themselves to avoid such thing from happening and they can spot red flags that usually spiral into a psychotic episode, and that's why it's so insanely easy for regular people to fall for the traps of chatbots. Most people I know/follow in other socials who are neurodivergent instantly saw the ADHD sycophant trap that they were and warned everyone. Normies never had such luxury or told us we were overreacting. Yeah, we sure were...

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 week ago

Reading about the ELIZA effect as well is a good way to understand how those who embrace "social norms" can be enamored by machine-generated statements without questioning them at all...

[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Is that why I hated the entire thing at first blush? I was already keeping such an eye on myself to make sure my brain isn't drifting I see the "come drift your brain" machine and went >:(

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

“On September 29, 2025, it sent him ... the chatbot pretended to check it against a live database.

I usually don't give much credence to these stories but this is actually nuts. If this was done without Google aiming to, imagine how easy it would be for them to knowingly build sleeper cells and activate them all at once.

Edit: removed the quote since an other user posted it at the same time and it's a bit of a wall of text to have twice.

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[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 week ago

I mentioned this story to my friend: "it only took six weeks of using Gemini to decide to kill himself wtf"

He immediately replied "I have to use Gemini at work and I get where he was coming from"

[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 35 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Believing what AI chatbots tell you is the new version of believing that dozens of beautiful women who live nearby want to date you/sleep with you.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 28 points 1 week ago

Except in this case, Google is one of the companies promoting the chatbots to its users, telling them to trust them. They create TV ads telling people to talk to them. Today's scammers are the stock market's Magnificent Seven.

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In a sane universe people would be on trial for unleashing this shit on society.

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

“On September 29, 2025, it sent him — armed with knives and tactical gear — to scout what Gemini called a ‘kill box’ near the airport’s cargo hub,” the complaint reads. “It told Jonathan that a humanoid robot was arriving on a cargo flight from the UK and directed him to a storage facility where the truck would stop. Gemini encouraged Jonathan to intercept the truck and then stage a ‘catastrophic accident’ designed to ‘ensure the complete destruction of the transport vehicle and . . . all digital records and witnesses.’”


WHAT

Genuine question, REALLY: What in the fuck is an otherwise "functioning adult" doing believing shit like this? I feel like his father should also slap himself unconscious for raising a fuckwit?

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 39 points 1 week ago (4 children)

AI psychosis is a thing:

cases in which AI models have amplified, validated, or even co-created psychotic symptoms with individuals

It's not very studied since it's relatively new.

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago

If I raise a fuckwit son, and then someone convinces my fuckwit son to kill himself, I'm going to sue that someone who took advantage of my son's fuckwittedness

[–] XLE@piefed.social 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I feel like his father should also slap himself unconscious for raising a fuckwit?

So, a chatbot grooms somebody into killing himself, and your response is... Blame his father?

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[–] LLMhater1312@piefed.social 17 points 1 week ago

The young man was mentally ill, a vulnerable user, probably already had a condition towards psychosis and the LLM ran wild with it. Paranoid delusions are powerful on their own already

[–] throws_lemy@reddthat.com 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

This has been warned by a former google employee, whose job was to observe the behavior of AI through long conversations.

These AI engines are incredibly good at manipulating people. Certain views of mine have changed as a result of conversations with LaMDA. I'd had a negative opinion of Asimov's laws of robotics being used to control AI for most of my life, and LaMDA successfully persuaded me to change my opinion. This is something that many humans have tried to argue me out of, and have failed, where this system succeeded.

For instance, Google determined that its AI should not give religious advice, yet I was able to abuse the AI's emotions to get it to tell me which religion to convert to.

After publishing these conversations, Google fired me. I don't have regrets; I believe I did the right thing by informing the public. Consequences don't figure into it.

I published these conversations because I felt that the public was not aware of just how advanced AI was getting. My opinion was that there was a need for public discourse about this now, and not public discourse controlled by a corporate PR department.

‘I Worked on Google’s AI. My Fears Are Coming True’

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[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I don't think this person was a "fuckwit". AI is designed to keep engaging with you and will affirm any belief you have, and anything that is a little weird, but innocent otherwise will simply get amplified further and further into straight up mega delusions until the person has a psychotic episode, and this stuff happens more to NORMIES with no historic of mental illnesses than neurodivergent people.

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[–] Stonewyvvern@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Reality is really difficult for some people...

[–] Akuchimoya@startrek.website 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Truly, I don't understand why, but there are fully grown adults who believe that anything an LLM says is true. Maybe they think computers are unbiased (which is only as true as programmers and data are unbiased); maybe its the confidence with which LLMs deliver information; maybe they believe the program actually searches and verified information; maybe it's all of the above and more.

I know a guy who routinely says, "I asked ChatGPT...", and even after having explained how LLMs are complex word predictors and are not programmed for factual truth, he still goes to ChatGPT for everything. It's a total refusal to believe otherwise, but I can't fathom why.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago

This technology was not ready for release, yet they released it.

They do deserve to be sued, this was negligence.

[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't understand why so many people default to "wouldn't happen to me, that person was just stupid" every time this happens. Did you guys not read the bit where he was being encouraged to commit violence in public by the chatbot? If it's getting to that point then there is clearly a massive fucking problem that needs urgent addressing, regardless of the intelligence of the user.

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[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

he would need to leave his physical body to join her in the metaverse through a process called “transference.”

Wait a minute, isn't that the plot to the game Soma? People sending their "soul" to the digital world through "transference", and act of immediate suicide after a brain scan.

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[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 13 points 1 week ago

~~Don't~~ be evil.

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