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[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Generally speaking whether I like a character or not has very little to do with whether I think they're moral. One of my favorite characters in any book is a horrendously evil man - like approaching Hitler levels, though on a smaller scale - but goddamn is he a fascinating character to read (Vorbis from Small Gods - which if you haven't read it is a masterpiece)

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The black-on-black eyes stared imploringly at Brutha, who reached out automatically, without thinking… and then hesitated.

HE WAS A MURDERER, said Death. AND A CREATOR OF MURDERERS. A TORTURER. WITHOUT PASSION. CRUEL. CALLOUS. COMPASSIONLESS.

“Yes. I know. He’s Vorbis,” said Brutha. Vorbis changed people. Sometimes he changed them into dead people. But he always changed them. That was his triumph. He sighed.

“But I’m me,” he said.

Vorbis stood up, uncertainly, and followed Brutha across the desert.

Death watched them walk away.

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

Especially impactful when you consider that Death basically never passes judgement on individuals in the series. For him to try and dissuade Brutha from helping Vorbis shows a level of disdain he usually only reserves for people who are cruel to cats

[–] MadBob@feddit.nl 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's funny, the name Vorbis didn't ring a bell for me, but seeing Death's dialogue in uppercase tells me exactly what series it's from. I'm still sitting at just one book read out the lot and more's the pity.

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Shepards crown? I'm deliberately not reading it in the hope that my future kids fall in love with Discworld and we can read it together

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

... heh. I remember thinking how real my annoyance was, at different times.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Fictional characters who commit war crimes can be magnificent bastards, but characters who are annoying cannot.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The real magnificent bastard.

[seriously, watch the whole movie]

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[–] KaleDaddy@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago

That makes sense. I have often wondered how much atrocity we're willing to forgive in a fictional character if they're charming/charismatic and if it translates at all to real life with for instance the glorification of certain serial killers.

Not saying there definitely is one. I have no idea. But I do wonder about it.

[–] Shalakushka@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

He was just too dang "unlikable!" (i.e., I didn't like him and don't want to explain why)

[–] Vampire@hexbear.net -2 points 2 years ago

Bad take

People like Reagan irl