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What score does your browser(s) get?

I'll start: I got:

one in ~25000 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours

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[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

CreepJS is much better (and scarier) at fingerprinting you than EFF. I've not managed to completely fool it yet but I've got my score down to 0% trust, meaning the fingerprint it generates is pretty useless. I suspect the only way to totally fool it (by which I mean spoof my devices) would be to turn JS off completely.

[–] relevants@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

On Safari 17 every time I visit the site it claims it's my first visit, despite a trust score of 57%. Not sure if I'm interpreting the results wrong or ITP is just doing its job.

[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think creep stores anything on its github incarnation so it'll always look like it's your first visit.

[–] TheRaven@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

iOS 17 Safari (especially with enhanced fingerprint protection on) is really good at fingerprint protection. It rotates a few data points like canvas ID so that it makes you look like a new fingerprint each time.

Fingerprint analyzers can find out lots about your fingerprint that way, but if your fingerprint keeps changing, it becomes difficult to identify you. Unique fingerprints don’t mean anything if your fingerprint keeps changing.

[–] relevants@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's what I was kind of thinking/hoping based on the results, but I wasn't sure if I was understanding it right. Thanks for elaborating!

[–] TheRaven@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Imagine I keep a log of everyone I encounter… their race, hair colour, eye colour, glasses shape, accent, gender, fingernail length, ear lobe shape, everything. I would probably encounter the same people every so often, and I would be able to recognize them from my log.

Now imagine that one of them started dying their hair and putting in coloured contact lenses, and they changed it up every day. I may be able to collect all of the details about them. They’re very unique. But… I couldn’t match them against anyone in my log, even though I’ve seen them multiple times.

Having a unique browser fingerprint is perfectly fine if it constantly changes. They can collect all of those details about you, but if you keep changing key details, they won’t be able to recognize you.

[–] datavoid@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you have js enabled?

Trying to figure out how to accomplish this - doesn't even work on tor

[–] relevants@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

Yea, I'm just using the browser on my phone, with Private Relay and intelligent tracking prevention on for all websites. I've visited it a bunch of times now and I've gotten it to count consecutive visits a few times, but if I just wait a little while and refresh it goes back to 1 and the fuzzy fingerprint is wildly different

[–] Dust0741@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Wow yea this seems really good. And scary. Too bad it doesn't seem to work with mullvad browser

[–] DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I get 0% on CreepJS with default DDG browser set to "strict", with a crowd blending score of 27%.

I get 40.7% with Mull + adblocker and 66.5% with FF + adblocker

[–] DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

"Your browser has a unique fingerprint"...well that isn't good...

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 2 years ago

Unique among the people who use that website. So if nobody else if you're configuration ever tried that website.... You would be unique

The bits of entropy are the more important parts of the results. The lower the bits the better

[–] Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

Please also consider things like canvas spoofing. It will create a unique fingerprint that is different every time.

[–] confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure how to read this report. It says my browser is unique and random with strong protections.

[–] dsemy@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

There is also fingerprint.com, which I tend to trust more since it's a company that literally sells fingerprinting tech to other companies.

It managed to identify me while using the Tor browser on "Safer" (doesn't work on "Safest" due to JS). Edit: this is likely due to an issue with my install, and not the browser itself.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How did it identify you via tor? Were you using the browser bundle? Completely vanilla?

Did you refresh your session between tests?

[–] dsemy@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Completely vanilla, fully stopped and restarted the browser. This was right after the 13.0 update.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

For what it's worth I just tested.

Tor browser 13.0.1, plus U-Block origin, fingerprint.com did not identify two different sessions

[–] dsemy@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

I should test again then, not sure what happened

[–] dsemy@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Just did a fresh install on Linux (fresh download too) and unfortunately, with no settings changed except security to "Safer", it once again identified me across multiple sessions.

FWIW it does change my ID if I resize the window enough to jump to a different size letterbox.

Edit: forgot to mention, the fresh install got a different ID ti the previous install.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Something is very curious about your install.

if you want to debug this: in tor browser, double check your using tor, try out whatismyipaddress.com, change circuits and make sure it changes again.

Look at the bits of entropy that coveryourtracks.eff.org shows, it could be something funky like an environment variable letting in system fonts.

[–] dsemy@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah I'll do some investigating, good to know that the Tor browser isn't at fault though (I probably should've operated under this assumption in the first place).

[–] aindriu_b@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I got "unique among the 185,973 tested in the past 45 days"

Edit: this is using Firefox Android Nightly with UBlock + Canvas Blocker

[–] TrenchcoatFullofBats@belfry.rip 5 points 2 years ago

Within our dataset of several hundred thousand visitors tested in the past 45 days, only one in 4330.4 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours.

Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 12.08 bits of identifying information.

Using Mull with NoScript through Mullvad

[–] lanigerous@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Same here Edit: except unique in 186,012 tests

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Similar. Using Mull, uBlock, pi-hole, and ghostery. I should try with my VPN on.

[–] Dust0741@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

More of my stats:

Fennec (privacy badger + unlock origin): 1 in 23301.0

Fennec private tab (privacy badger + unlock origin): 1 in 20712.44

Firefox hardened (arkenfox + privacy badger + unlock origin): 1 in 37281.6

Firefox hardened private tab(arkenfox + privacy badger + unlock origin): 1 in 31069.5

Mullvan browser (dafaults with unlock): 1 in 147.48

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

mullvad vpn + mullvad browser + a bunch of extensions: 1:26830.0

fingerprint.com does not track me

[–] dsemy@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Mullvad browser + extensions is pointless, might as well use LibreWolf or just harden Firefox yourself.

The point of the Mullvad browser is to not stand out from the crowd; by installing extensions you are definitely standing out.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

librewolf doesn't do auto updates.

I don't need to harden firefox myself, mullvad comes pre harded.

[–] dsemy@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

You're right. What I meant was that you lose Mullvad's fingerprinting resistance by installing extensions, but if you're only looking for a hardened Firefox with auto updates then it's fine.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Librewolf Flatpak autoupdates lol

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 2 years ago

That's great! I'm glad you have a package management system that works for you!

https://librewolf.net/docs/faq/#how-often-do-you-update-librewolf

It should however be noted that LibreWolf does not have auto-update capabilities, and therefore it relies on package managers or users to apply them.

[–] young_broccoli@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Only one in 706.9 browsers have the same fingerprint as ~~yours~~ mine.

Is that bad? Or is this like golf.

[–] BearJCC@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The lower the number the better. That's pretty decent.

[–] paradox2011@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not necessarily bad, the lower the number the harder it is to fingerprint you. In other words, your browser stands out much less and is less noticeable from the masses than the OPs browser.

Generally the more security/privacy tweaks and add-ons you apply to your browser the more secure it gets, but you tend to stand out from the masses more because of the changes, resulting in the 1 in 4,000 type stat. It becomes easier to differentiate your traffic from others.

Whether anonymity or security is more desirable depends on your threat model.

Edit: "Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 186,867 tested in the past 45 days." Evidently I stand out quite a bit 😂

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 187,041 tested in the past 45 days.

[–] GrappleHat@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same here. Is there a way to spoof a more generic fingerprint or something?

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

It seems that my screen resolution is the problem. Brave beats Firefox based browsers because it spoofs the screen resolution

[–] alt@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

On LibreWolf, which I use to surf daily, I got one in 180k+.

Afterwards, I tried Tor Browser -which is honestly almost never used- and this was a lot better at one in 6k+. Though this was only in "Safer" mode, I tried testing it on "Safest" afterwards, but an update screwed it up and I somehow couldn't get it back to its standard opening size.

Interestingly, my best result I got once again on LibreWolf. This time, I changed two things:

  1. Enable letterboxing
  2. Disable Javascript entirely through uBlock Origin

This resulted in a one in 800+. I am interested to know how Mullvad browser users fare on Mullvad VPN.

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I see. I too use similar settings on Librewolf: should try it.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

0 because I have scripts disabled.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I've an unique fingerprint, but different fp results in every test run, with mostly wrong sys specs, only it shows correct my country, nothing else. Same in Browserleaks.

[–] AnonymousLemming@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago

Doesn't work with Javascript blocked.

[–] BitSound@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Within our dataset of several hundred thousand visitors tested in the past 45 days, only one in 4244.39 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours.

Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 12.05 bits of identifying information.

Firefox mobile with various addons, most important of which is probably NoScript