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Neo-Nazis and the Far-Right Are Trying to Hijack Pro-Palestine Protests (www.vice.com)
submitted 2 years ago by stopthatgirl7@kbin.social to c/news@lemmy.world
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Neo-Nazis are showing up at protests in an attempt to push anti-Jewish conspiracy theories and tropes into the mainstream.

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[–] honey_im_meat_grinding@lemmy.blahaj.zone 73 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If anyone thinks this is a unique situation - this has happened so many times. The easiest example is the Nazis, or the "national socialists" because socialism was popular back then so they used the term despite starting with killing union workers and leftists.

Vincent Bevins talks in depth about this in his book If We Burn, where he discusses why (certain) protests fail by going through real life examples of movements that were hijacked by right wing extremists. This is not new or novel, this is going by the playbook on how to fight against movements that ask for justice, peace, more democracy, economic equality, and so forth.

[–] Synthuir@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well, the Nazis didn’t just randomly co-opt that term, they were the result of a merger of two different political parties, one far right and the other far right but with some ✨ socialist characteristics ✨ (if you’re ethnically German). On the Night of the Long Knives, all of the socialist-leaning elements of the new NSDAP were murdered in cold blood by the SS.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago

Shocking absolutely nobody

[–] stella@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think it would be a good look to balance pro-Palestine demonstrations with anti-Nazi symbolism.

Would be funny to watch 'journalists' report on the Nazis in a protest when there are more people with anti-Nazi gear.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Couldn't they just report that Nazis and anti-Nazis are pro-Palestine?

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Couldn’t they just report that Nazis and anti-Nazis are pro-Palestine?

Didn't you read this part?

“Nine out of ten of them would probably happily commit a hate crime against anyone [at the pro-Palestine protest].”

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure what that changes

[–] stella@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That'd be a pretty weird report, but sure.

They can report anything.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure what would be weird about it if it was what literally happening. How would you report it?

[–] clearleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All they need is one guy with a nazi flag and they can say everyone there is complicit. And they can bring their own nazi to model for them.

[–] stella@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I mean, they don't even need that.

They can say whatever they want, lol.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is kind of funny to see the nazis who hate muslims more than jews and those who hate jews more than muslims go against each other

[–] S_204@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

As a Jew.....none of this is funny.

There was a hate crime down the street from me, a young girl was followed home from a peace rally and her house was shot up.

This shit needs to stop. Islamophobia and Anti Semitism should not and cannot be tolerated as an outgrowth of this war.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Palestinians, antizionists, and their allies are some of the best prepared to counter antisemitic infiltration.

Having to build a movement that has to tiptoe around an opponent who will use every minor mistake or misunderstanding to conflate you with a Nazi (see Greta Thunberg's octopus plushie drama) really gives you a crash course on Judaism and antisemitic tropes.

Plus, one of the most popular fronts within Antizionism are the Jewish anti-zionists! I've learned more about the history of Judaism, the shoah, and the legacy of Jewish resistance to apartheid thanks to antizionists that is have never learned otherwise.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 9 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately, it's already working on people susceptible to that sort of broad, hateful messaging. Eerie to see how easily people are taken over and recruited into the same sort of things that happened up to, during, and after Kristallnacht. And it's working worldwide. It's scary to see young people, even 21 year olds, getting arrested for posting threats that they will murder all their Jewish classmates at college. 5:33 in the news: https://youtu.be/K1wP1oPkzok?si=oCg67zMcPucRblaq

People are extremely vulnerable to it, especially without a strong grasp of world history.

[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Trumps “very fine people”

[–] skhayfa@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Too many brown, jews and leftist people in Palestinian protests. They won't like it there.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

The thing about Nazis (and other flavors of racist shitbags if anyone wants to play the "well akshually they're not Nazis, theyre..." game) is they don't care, they'll pretend to be reasonable, break bread with their enemies, etc. as long as it's convenient for them. But they don't view those others as being equal human beings, so once they've accomplished whatever they set out to do, they'll turn on them as soon as they think they have the upper hand without a moment's hesitation.

That's the Nazi playbook and always has been. You can see it happen in WWII, you can see it in the lunatic fringe taking over the Republican party over the last century or so, it's how these types operate.

They'll happily throw their lot in with whoever is convenient to their cause in the moment, why should they care? They're just planning on turning on them down the road anyway, hell, it probably even gets them a better look at how these temporary allies/future targets for extermination operate and gets them in closer for when they eventually make their move against them.