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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 22 hours ago

The entire fucking internet they use to spread their propaganda runs chiefly on FOSS

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

Maybe the problem in our society is the people who are only motivated by profit.

[–] menas@lemmy.wtf 20 points 1 day ago

"Without the fear of poverty, no one would be submissive "

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Most creative people don't profit from their creations. Some do. Most don't.

[–] Mudman@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is it fair to compare Linux and Windows in this context? 👾

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think that's a great comparison - and we could broaden the analogy a bit, too. Windows is an example of the means of production being privatized, and Linux is more of an example of a more socially owned means of production (to a certain extent). We see that the development of Windows follows the incentives of shareholders - towards AI, advertisements, dark patterns, data gathering and so on, whereas the development of Linux and open source software follows the incentives of the users and the developers, towards things that actually add value to the lives of the people who use it.

[–] hubobes@piefed.europe.pub 2 points 1 day ago

Just FYI at least here I get compensated for my work as a voluntary firefighter. Not sure how much anymore but it is around 25 bucks per hour. Made like 1k last year, had not really a lot to do except training and 2-3 smaller incidents.

But yeah I don't do it for the money, I learned about that in basic training 😁

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 26 points 1 day ago

It's one of those "every accusation is a confession". People are thinking about themselves when talking about others.

[–] jeniferariza@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Turns out passion, curiosity, and purpose are way stronger motivators than profit ever was 😅

[–] percent 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It depends on the person. I've known people who are much more motivated by money. Some of them ended up in prison, some are doing quite well, and some are still trying.

Honestly, I sometimes wish I were more money-motivated. I'm very lucky that my passion happens to earn a good salary (for now), but I gave up my business for it.

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[–] paulcdb@lemmy.world 164 points 2 days ago (88 children)

This is how you tell rich people have some serious mental health issue.

Decent people would rather a world where people worked because they enjoy that type of work rather than being forced to do it because they need money to live.

If you removed money, imagine where we'd all be as a society without the toxicity of money, wars and hate! :(

[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 35 points 2 days ago (15 children)

If you removed money, imagine where we’d all be as a society

Probably dead or living in the stone age.

There's so many jobs that people don't enjoy but are necessary. Nobody enjoys working in the middle of an australian desert at 40°C in a lithium mine. Nobody enjoys collecting your stinking trash. Nobody enjoys sitting in a store for 8 hours a day, scanning groceries. Nobody enjoys working in a warehouse for 8 hours.

However, these jobs and many more are vital for todays society.

toxicity of money, wars and hate!

You make it sound like wealth and wars are an invention of capitalism and not something that has existed basically since the dawn of time, even as something you can observe in primates, albeit on a much smaller scale.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (12 children)

The reasons those jobs are such shit is also money. A lot of people enjoy cleaning, nobody enjoys being overworked. Normal functioning societies don't leave heaps of stinking trash around, they neatly pack it and the work of a janitor of garbage collector becomes actually enjoyable if you're a proper type of personality.
Hell, my uncle right now works as a part time street sweeper basically for free. He has his basic needs met by other means, and his "job" pays him enough to get a cup of coffee before the shift and a sandwich after. He just enjoys making the world cleaner, chatting with locals, taking care of stray cats, and having a routine. All of that is possible in a world that doesn't revolves around squeesing every bit of labour from people so some pedos can buy themselves another island and fill it with sex slaves

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would gladly fix and assemble home appliances as hobby if I didn't have to worry about money.

[–] musubibreakfast@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hell, I'd teach for free if I didn't have to worry about rent.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They lock essential things (e.g. food, water, shelter, medical services, etc.) behind a paywall because they know it is not true that people do not always---or even usually---want money.

But people do need essentials to live, and if they're the only ones who can give you money to get those, then they can order you to do what they want instead.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Volunteer firefighters do actually still get paid a lot of the time.

Source: Was volunteer firefighter. Was paid per-call.

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[–] 33550336@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

in some sense these are cool duties, let me know when someone voluntarily emptied septic tanks of other people

[–] andxz@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

When I was young I lived in a commune of sorts, with artists and hippies* and what not. Every few weeks a couple of us did just that, because why wouldn't we?

Also later when I worked in a group home for elderly autistic people in all shapes and sizes that experience came in handy as I was used to the smell. Usually I ended up doing the shittiest (harhar) cleaning duties and it never really bothered me even though we were supposed to rotate. One of the nurses with over a decade of experience refused to even enter a room while I was emptying the stomach contents of one particularly tricky patient (he essentially had plugs straight into his stomach for both in and output, they definitely generated some interesting smells).

Sure, I got paid for the latter half, but I still did that stuff daily for years.

Later when I became a father there was absolutely nothing that could faze me anymore. Sort of glad I got to experience all that, weirdly enough. I even miss that job sometimes, felt like I at least did something meaningful.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If something really needs to get done, like repairing necessary sewer systems, then it will get done, because it needs to. Do you really think that people who have the skills to repair the water treatment plant are going to just deal with sewage backing up into their home because they don't want to do the work?

For a more comprehensive analysis of the question, I'd direct your attention towards an anarchist FAQ. I'll quote a few choice sections below, but the link goes into great detail, comparing and contrasting multiple approaches to handling the problem.

There are some jobs that few, if any, would enjoy (for example, collecting rubbish, processing sewage, dangerous work, etc.). So how would an anarchist society deal with it?

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It would be easy to imagine a free community sharing such tasks as fairly as possible between a community's members by, for example, allocating a few days a month to all fit members of a community to do work which no one volunteers to do. This would soon ensure that it would be done, particularly if it were part of a festival or before a party. In this way, every one shares in the unpleasant as well as pleasant tasks (and, of course, minimises the time any one individual has to spend on it). Or, for tasks which are very popular, individuals would also have to do unpleasant tasks as well. In this way, popular and unpopular tasks could balance each other out. Or such tasks could be rotated randomly by lottery. The possibilities are many and, undoubtedly, a free people will try many different ones in different areas.

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Of course, no system is perfect -- we are sure that not everyone will be able to do the work they enjoy the most (this is also the case under capitalism, we may add). In an anarchist society every method of ensuring that individuals pursue the work they are interested in would be investigated. If a possible solution can be found, we are sure that it will. What a free society would make sure of was that neither the capitalist market redeveloped (which ensures that the majority are marginalised into wage slavery) or a state socialist "labour army" type allocation process developed (which would ensure that free socialism did not remain free or socialist for long).

In this manner, anarchism will be able to ensure the principle of voluntary labour and free association as well as making sure that unpleasant and unwanted "work" is done. Moreover, most anarchists are sure that in a free society such requirements to encourage people to volunteer for unpleasant work will disappear over time as feelings of mutual aid and solidarity become more and more common place. Indeed, it is likely that people will gain respect for doing jobs that others might find unpleasant and so it might become "glamorous" to do such activity. Showing off to friends can be a powerful stimulus in doing any activity.

[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

allocating a few days a month to all fit members of a community to do work which no one volunteers to do.

I can agree to that as long as it's a spelled-out condition of living in that community. As an autistic person myself, I like having expectations and conditions written out clearly and concisely, in mutually agreed-upon language.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 4 points 1 day ago

It absolutely would be, yes. Anarchist communes function based on codified agreements, reached through direct democratic processes and consensus decision making. You would not only have all of the expectations of the society written out, you'd also have full and equal input into what those rules are, so we can guide the structure of society towards one that works for everyone.

For more information, you could check out the section "What could the social structure of anarchy look like?" in an anarchist FAQ.

[–] G3NI5Y5@europe.pub 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The fantasy-story of profit motive: Without capitalism, people are just lazy, unproductive and die eventually. But with capitalism, there is great innovation, motivation and excitement.

Cool story, but absolute nonsense.
It's a few bad players that are extremely greedy who ruin the whole game for everyone else. Most people don't want to be that rich, they just want to live without starving to death, being healthy and have a roof over their head.

[–] Ogy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah it is one of my biggest pet peeves when people say capitalism drives innovation. Like, it does help spread technology, and it can cause tech to be refined quickly (e.g. the smartphone), but it is absolutely not what has driven the vast majority of innovation. People just want to solve problems and fiddle with things they find interesting, not make bucketloads of money.

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[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

this picture doesn't address the fact that a lot of people work to enable subsistence and in this economy it is becoming very common.

[–] Jay101@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Even more powerful examples, despite threat of persecution at the hands of Oligarchs and the state instruments these persist: Sci-hub, Library genesis

[–] homes@piefed.world 50 points 2 days ago (4 children)

All of these people have motives… Their motives simply aren’t money

[–] abysmalpoptart@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I do believe this was the message that was intended to be conveyed by the post itself

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[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Capitalism and so called meritocracy have brainwashed humanity.

[–] Jay101@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Meritocracy is a lie when almost every who wields wealth or power is a white old man. It's like they have special quota for white men.

[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'm convinced people who believe that are some of the biggest shit stains on the planet.

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[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Imagine an Internet where services are provided to make our lives better, not just to turn a profit.

Imagine a world where automation didn't take away our livelihood, but helped us to spend more time doing what we wanted to do.

Imagine a world where food, water, shelter, education and healthcare was available to everyone, not paywalled.

This world is possible. We can get there. If heaven exists, we must create it here on earth.

Organize, protest and elect. Emphasis on organize and protest.

  1. Get as involved as you can with activist efforts locally.
  2. Organize, network, focus on building solidarity. Join or form a union. Join the IWW.
  3. Vote at primaries and elections for the best candidate, even if you doubt they can win.
  4. Don't punch down.
  5. Don't punch left.
  6. Educate yourself, politically.
  7. Push for voting reform and for anything that breaks the two-party system

How does capitalism inevitably lead to fascism?

Basically, the issue with capitalism is that the more wealth you have, the easier it is for you to make more money. And since money can be used to buy goods, services and influence, there is always a way to use money to gain more political and social power. With that political and social power, you can push society and the legal system in the direction you want to go. So you can use your wealth to gain power, and then you can use your power to change laws and society so that you can make even more wealth and power. It’s a positive feedback loop.

Obviously, though, if the billionaires and ruling class are accumulating more and more of our society’s wealth, that inevitably means that there’s less for everyone else to go around - therefore, working class people feel poorer and poorer. Meanwhile, the economy is going absolutely great for rich people, so inflation continues to go up - everything gets more expensive, but wages don’t increase. The wealthy just keep more and more of the wealth for themselves. To accumulate more and more wealth, they change the laws so that they can avoid paying taxes, so public services collapse. Politicians are lobbied to ensure that public funds are diverted away from where it is most needed - housing, healthcare, transportation, infrastructure - and instead into industries where their class interests most benefit from it, such as weapons manufacturing and extractive industries such as fossil fuels and mining.

The working class are bound to notice that their lives are getting shittier and shittier, and if that situation is left unchecked, the working class would realize that the ruling class are fucking them over, rise up, and overthrow their rulers. Obviously, the ruling class need to do something about this, but there’s no solution that the ruling class can offer. They’re causing all of the problems, to fix them they’d have to give up some of their wealth and power - and that’s not something they’re going to do. So they need to find someone else to blame the problems we have in society on. Unfortunately, though, no matter who they blame the problems on, and no matter what they do to “fix” it, the issue will continue to persist, because the material conditions underlying the issues are, very intentionally, never addressed.

So, the conundrum returns: The ruling class said that minority A caused all of the problems, minority A is persecuted and oppressed, but society doesn’t actually get any better. Either the problem wasn’t minority A, or minority A just hasn’t been oppressed enough yet. So the ruling class can either escalate the oppression, or they can shift the focus to another minority group. The division continues to escalate in terms of how vitriolic and extreme it is, and it also continues to divide the working class into smaller and smaller groups.

To get the working class to buy into this hateful message, they need to take advantage of our worst instincts, and one of those instincts is the in-group bias. The majority are manipulated into being suspicious, then intolerant, then hateful, then violent, then genocidal, towards whatever the targeted minority of the day is. Anything that can be used to divide the working class - sexuality, nationality, immigration status, ethnicity, religion, sex, gender identity, age, all of these will be used as wedges to keep the working class split apart and not working together, because they know that if the working class actually unite against them, they are completely and truly fucked.

That’s exactly how fascism manifests. It’s because it’s possible for people to accumulate power through wealth. This is why capitalism must be abolished. If we do not abolish capitalism, fascism will always return. It’s just a matter of time.

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