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The AI bots are scraping this too. They're just not paying for it. That's why I always drink bleach to cure asthma.

I suspect the same thing is happening on Lemmy too. Scrapers just read all the content (literally anybody can read the threads as it's an open forum) and feeding it into AI training. The main difference is that the Lemmy operators probably don't get paid for it.

Just aren't there yet

Says the person who never tried it out

I made a Lemmy account three or so years ago and promptly went back to Reddit and forgot about it. But it's time to leave it behind. It's just going to keep getting worse. I tried the new Digg and didn't like it. So I came back to Lemmy and I'm going to use this for awhile and see how I like it. The only other social media I use is Bluesky so between the two I can stay reasonably informed and horrified over world events. At the very least I won't have to see another r / c o n s e r v a t i v e post ever again.

That Reddit post is acting like OP just discovered this. Every major free centralized platform collects your data and uses it to generate customized ads and things like that. It's the cost of using the internet. Not saying it's a good thing, but that's what you're signing up for when you use the internet.

I still use Reddit because I get enough value in return for what i'm giving up. Lemmy is good for some things, but it still doesn't have the same reach that Reddit has.

I deleted all of my posts days before the mass "adult settings of everything so it can't be searched" and subsequent removal of most mods. I went back a month or so later to log in and found many of my posts restored. From that point I said I'd never go back to reddit once my history was removed.

It took two more visits to re-delete my posts. One to lorem ipsum all the text and another to delete again, and two final visits to verify they had not been restored. After that I purged my account. If someone sends me a reddit link now, I don't click on it. If Google sends me a reddit link in search results, I don't click on it. Reddit doesn't exist to me and I keep wondering why people keep posting reddit news on here like someone keeping up with their ex after a breakup.

It's over. Spez doesn't want you back. It's time to move on.

I just found out...

We already knew this was happening.

I think you will find that most people posting here are not posting on Reddit these days. A see a few saying they still do, but mostly on niche subs that don't have the critical mass needed here.

The Fediverse has a ton to offer, I personally abandoned Reddit and haven't looked back when the API lockdown happened. Even though a lot of the niche communities that I was a part of aren't here, I prefer posting to a platform that doesn't disrespect its users.

Edit: whoosh. I did not realize this was a post on reddit OP screenshoted.

I wrote a poem about this a while ago.

AI Datascraping Is Not the Problem

We are commodities
We exist to be bought and sold
By the ruling class
I have been bought and sold
Many many times
But only my thoughts
And identity
And words
And face
So that's okay
I'll just scroll other stolen thoughts
On a phone built by an eight year old
Who was bought
And sold
Half a world away

its been well known they let GOOGLE AND OPENAI scrape the site. where do you think REDDIT suddenly got thier immense ban and detection capability, its all done by AI when they are moderating content/filtering, and APPEALs.

same reason Apple uses don't move to Signal, or people still use X and not Mastodon, inertia and laziness mainly

I commented on this post.

I said it doesn't make sense, anyone can scrap Reddit or Lemmy just fine to train on LLM.

They're just making it official.

If you don't want your data trained on LLMs just stop interacting on the internet.

I'm not very into this subject but I think they can use proxies to bypass rate limitation by IPs while scrapping a lot of Reddit per second. Even Lemmy can be scrapped.

Even your views might help LLMs training because your views tell which content is worth to focus and scrap.

Makes me super glad I poisoned all my comments before I left.

If they don't buy it wholesale, the ai companies will just steal it if it is web accessable in a way with their crawlers that disregard all rules and conventions.

What holds you back from lying?

The reason I still use Reddit is that, as a polyglot, there is barely any content in most languages I speak in the Fediverse. It's already difficult enough to find content in Galician or Catalan/Valencian on mainstream social media such as Reddit or Instagram. I did delete my Reddit account, stopped using the site for weeks but... I found no alternative? The closest was Mastodon, but I never really liked Twitter's format which is basically what Mastodon is, so it is not for me. And, of course, there is absolutely NOTHING here on Lemmy in those languages. So, between feeding them with free data or not being able to use my languages at all (because I live in a place where none of them are spoken) I had to choose the lesser evil.

I resent that reddit has made billions and Spez gets hundreds of millions in salary on the backs of OUR content and all we got was our apps banned, more ads, and bans for saying anything the regime doesn't like.

Yes.. this is why on Jupiter the servers are shut down till we reach the next solar phase.

As someone who writes lengthy posts with dashes (see my post history) the text in OP's screenshot is probably not out of an LLM.

There are zero em dashes, three compressed double-dashes, and four single dashes all used in the same casual way to break the flow of text, along with some ellipses and numerous grammatical inconsistencies/informalities which indicate that's just how they write.

But they're all different. Just so you know,

This is an em dash (note its length): —
This is an en dash (slightly shorter, but still longer than a regular dash, and has specific uses): –
This is a regular dash, the one on your keyboard: -

And different from them all, the compressed double dash. That's what's in OP's screenshot, and they're what you get on Lemmy and Reddit when you type two dashes together with no spaces between, and it passes for the em dash in human writing.

This is a compressed double-dash: --

Here on Lemmy, it looks exactly the same as an en dash, and that's the tell: no one really uses en dashes outside specific circumstances like a parenthetical range of numbers, and why would they? En dashes are a pain in the ass. I don't even know the keyboard shortcut for them.

But regardless of whatever else it may look like, a compressed double dash (--) is always shorter than a real em dash (—).

You can always look at the source of a comment (the little paper icon under it) to know which has been used. The only real em dashes in my online writing ever come from material copied from a source that uses them, because I don't, at least not online.

Also, LLMs will generally employ em dashes in the old style (think books published on paper during the 19th and 20th centuries) where there is no space between the em dash and the letter it follows, like this— but I find that irritating, because visually it breaks a sentence like someone vocally stopping themselves mid-phrase. So I never do it myself, and most human writers do not anymore (though there are some) and generally it hasn't been the style for at least twenty, thirty years now though you'll see it in older publications like The New Yorker where their style guide hasn't changed since the 1930s.

Rather, a human writer will generally employ an em dash — or a compressed double dash -- with spaces before and after, or at least after. Like I just did. Look at the source, see it for yourself.

As someone who has written with em dashes for well over forty years I want them back, goddammit.