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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 21 hours ago

Earth is not your average planet. We've been looking for YEARS for goldilocks planets.

If anything, all those single-biome planets aren't extreme enough.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

I would love a game like NMS that actually had varied bioms and civilizations. I know it's to much to ask. And with out as much fighting so I can focus on exploration and trade. But it's to much to ask

[–] DrWorm@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago
[–] uberfreeza@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

I'm working on a Starfinder campaign, so explaining all of these and the lore becomes more complex. I'm homebrewing a lot of the lore, because I'd rather make my own than learn a different one (and it lets me make things up on the spot that I don't know). I know for one planet, its industrial revolution made its inhabitants flee underground, since the surface became too hostile. Magic helps with a lot of explanations too.

[–] vogi@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

Earth is pretty rad if you take humans out of the equation.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 133 points 2 days ago (20 children)

Stargate: every planet is either desert or Canada.

[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 84 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's an ice planet!

Carter, after exiting the second gate on Earth

[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Always one of my favorite parts of that episode.

You can see a decent bit depending on terrain in most places, more if the terrain is higher than surrounding areas, but she pops out of a crack, looks around and sees ice for a few hundred yards, and gives up.

In fairness, without direction, some form of marker, or obvious landmark, wandering around in a blizzard would have been death for both of them... Not that they would have been able to walk to civilization even if they DIDN'T have injuries...

Still though, they've experienced varied terrain in plenty of planets, so assuming the whole planet is ice is something Sam would have corrected someone else on in a heartbeat. (and also made the argument that for all intents and purposes, for them it may as well be a whole planet)

I wonder how much better we could have had it if the location budget were like 4x what they had. Eventually you start to recognize specific rocks in the quarry... My wife likes to call one rock Terry because it has two vaguely eye-shaped holes, and "because it's terrible how often they use that place"

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, Carter had a point. Antarctica is a terrible place to put a Stargate. The Ancients usually put them in places where people can live. She didn't know they put Atlantis in Antarctica.

Assuming that people lived near this Stargate thousands of years ago, and it's now in an arctic climate, an ice age is the logical conclusion.

Don't quote me on this, because I can't remember the specific episode, comic, or book, but I vaguely remember the ancients settled places thy were most like their original homeworld of Alterra, and gave them the best comfort overall. That just happened to be what the Pacific Northwest region of North America looks like, so most of the planets are still pretty close to that. Some obviously have continued morphing over the millennia, but it makes a nice explanation for why everywhere looks like the same 30 mile area around their BC studio lol.

At the time they didn't really know much about the ancients, definitely didn't know that Atlantis took off from Antarctica 5 million years ago...

That's fair, however it always felt a little weird for the scientist of all people to make such a broad generalization.

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Or a really cheap single set piece that vaguely fits the theme of an ancient earth culture that has managed to not change at all in millenia, and then there is a single high tech alien device in the middle of it.

BTW, I say that with love. Stargate is the best.

[–] 8oow3291d@feddit.dk 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Also Star Wars... Star Wars even have a city covering an entire planet.

From Irregular Webcomic!, #87 via https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SingleBiomePlanet

Imperial Officer: Lord Vader, the rebels have fled the ice planet of Hoth. After going to the swamp planet of Dagobah, Skywalker has rejoined his friends on the desert world of Tatooine. And now the rebel fleet is massing for an attack on the forest moon of Endor.
Darth Vader: I sense a great disturbance in the Force.
Imperial Officer: My lord?
Darth Vader: How else can so many worlds be totally covered with only one terrain type without regard to latitudinal variations?

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Star Wars even have a city covering an entire planet

Yes, they copied it from Foundation. Trantor has a perfectly fine reason for being the way it is, that would apply to Corusant too.

That is, if physics actually allowed them to be that way. Apparently Asimov didn't run the numbers on that one.

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[–] skibidi@lemmy.world 63 points 1 day ago (7 children)

In fairness, seasons and varied terrain aren't guaranteed.

Of all the bodies in the solar system, only Earth has such a wide variety of landscape. Mars is rocky desert or rocky desert with canyons. Pluto is ice ball or rocky ice ball. Etc.

Also, if humans were colonizing earth from outside, we would probably just build cities on the river deltas and skip the less habitable spots. Stories set here would then just be cityscape or river delta, even though the ice caps/mountains/jungles/deserts still exist. Colonized worlds will have different population distribution that organically settled ones.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Mars is rocky desert or rocky desert with canyons.

Mars has river deltas. It has flat plains. It has shifting rolling dunes. It has mountains and valley. It has a twisting series of canyons so constricted they're called the Labyrinth of Night. It has vast ice sheets and polar caps of frozen carbon dioxide and water. It has caves and frozen mud flats and a thousand other varied forms.

Mars is a world. It is a place. It has biomes as varied and unique as those of Earth.

Pluto is ice ball or rocky ice ball.

There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Mars may have "river deltas", but without the river.

Mars is a world. It is a place. It has biomes as varied and unique as those of Earth.

Suuure. A biome is a geographical region with a specific climate, flora and fauna. Mars doesn't have much climate because it has very little atmosphere, and it has no flora or fauna. There's no way in hell that it has biomes as varied as earth.

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[–] marcos@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Well, not exactly biomes. That one it doesn't have.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some Sci-Fi planet types are reasonable.

The Kepler program found a lot of exoplanets and has categorized them generally as Hot Jupiters, Cold Gas Giants, Ocean Worlds & Ice Giants, Rocky Planets and Lava Worlds.

Exoplanet types with major types "Hot Jupiters", "Cold Gas Giants", "Ocean Worlds & Ice Giants", "Rocky Planets" and "Lava Worlds"

If you ignore the gas giants because there's no surface to land on, rocky planets (and maybe desert planets) would be extremely common. Water or ice planets would also be incredibly common. And, if you're really unlucky, you might end up on a lava planet -- one that's small and very close to its sun.

What wouldn't be common are things like an entire planet that's a swamp, or an entire planet that's a forest of Earth-style trees. I'm sure it's entirely possible that on some planet there's a life-form that becomes the dominant form and that looks vaguely like Earth-style trees, but not the kind you see on a typical SciFi show filmed near Vancouver.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you ignore the gas giants because there’s no surface to land on

Hey now. You can land on the surface of Jupiter if you're dense enough.

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 80 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

"Wait wait, you're from Doloron? Oh my god, I work with someone from the Swamp Planet!"

"Why does everyone call it that. It's a planet with one or two famous swamps."

"What was it like growing up in a mud hut?"

"We have other ecosystems! You know, mountains, fields, outlet malls..."

"How did you get to school? Bark canoes? On the back of a swamp snail?"

"No, like everyone else... In hover cars."

"Is it true you all have eggs sacs? Take off your pants."

"No I'm not taking off my pants!"

"Aha! We got a swamp monster here!"

"Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! (sigh) 50 years ago, Dread Trooper scouts landed in a swamp on our planet, and for some reason didn't bother exploring anywhere else. If they had gone one mile to the left, they would have found some beautiful beachfront condos. But they didn't. And now... we're the (air quotes) swamp planet. How do you think that makes me feel?"

"I uh..."

"Don't say anything. Let's just eat our lunch in silence."

"... Is that moss!?"

"It's a delicacy!"

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hmm. Still no resolution on the egg sac question, though.

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Swamp monsters from the Swamp Planet find questions about their horrifying egg sacks to be very personal.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago

Moss is to be sorted by color not taste!

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's from an old College Humor Troopers sketch

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[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't forget that if the planet is inhabited, it has only has one civilization that is mono-ethnic and mono-cultural. Star Trek is the most prominent ~~offender~~ example of this. Still a good series though.

[–] Twipped@l.twipped.social 1 points 2 hours ago

And only a few specific exports of a single variety. Apparently Romulans found one fermentation technique and never experimented again.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A lot of stargates seem suspiciously located in abandoned quarries in the Pacific northwest

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

California, such diverse film locales

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[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Imagine how jank that game would have been on release if they tried varied procedurally generated biomes hahaha.

[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

They're making a new game with that exact premise actually. Only one planet but still

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I imagine No Man's Sky is doing this specifically to reference the trope as was originally commonly portrayed in e.g. Flash Gordon serials and various golden age comics. Similar to Starbound, this also has an intentional gameplay implication in that it forces you to leave the planet and find another one with the biome appropriate for whatever resource it is you need. Otherwise you could park your butt on one planet and never have any compelling reason to go anywhere else which really rather defeats the intent of the game.

As far as other works of fiction go, though, yes. It's just lazy.

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 22 points 2 days ago (4 children)

No man’s sky also did it because of lazy. People may have forgotten, but that game released as pure hot garbage and only got better after tons of updates.

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[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 25 points 2 days ago (4 children)

My favorite is how there is only ever one city and like 10,000 people on any planet.

Oh he went to this planet? Well, lets just go to the market, he's bound to turn up at some point.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (5 children)

And how there's usually a single culture on each planet.

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[–] Beacon@fedia.io 21 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Honestly i think it's quite possible that earth actually is rare on that regard. Most planets are majorly more uniform than earth. Conditions have to be juuuuuust right for a single planet to have water that exists in all 3 forms at the same time on different areas of the planet. That fact alone creates 4 of the 6 boxes.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Also there have been eras in earths history where it was basically like one of two environments. Like before the continents emerged from the oceans properly, or the several snowball earths, or the multiple times a super continent formed and created swamp land and desert land because of the fucken Appalachian mountains.

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[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Water doesn't have to be the thing that brings variation. Titan has a methane "hydrology" with clouds, rivers, valleys, and beaches whose sand is made of ice. On Triton, ammonia cryovulcanism powered by tidal forces from Neptune create plains with ammonnia snowfall, ice mountain ranges, and underground lakes. On Miranda, the planet is ice, but there are massive terrain differences from 10 km cliffs to flatlands. Io has a massive variety of volcanic planes with color differences visible from space because of their entirely different chemical compositions. The turbulent atmosphere of Jupiter is streaks of water vapor clouds, upwellings from deep beneath the surface, cyclones and massive pressure drops that dent the atmosphere inward by kilometers, with ionosphere above and gas as dense as water below. Even an atmosphere-less grey rock like Mercury has basalt plains, craters, ridges, highlands and dust plains.

In No Man's Sky, many planets have life, which requires complex chemistry being possible at the temperatures the planet has using the chemicals that are available on that planet. This then naturally creates temperatures that are "too cold" for that life and "too warm" for that life, and complex adaptations made by that life to take resources from places that get "too cold" or "too warm" with less risk of predation or competition. Similar adaptation is possible to other extremes/variations, such as "submerged", "on land", "flying", "too dry", "too few nutrients", "too acidic", "too basic", "too steep", "cave", etc. And thus we get complex biospheres that vary across the planet.

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[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To say otherwise would be to admit your story has no need for aliens.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 5 points 1 day ago

I mean, not really? There's lots of reasons to use aliens in a story and I'm struggling to think of one that only works if you assume low-diversity planets

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago

Well, look, the show has a budget. And the game also a gameplay.

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