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[–] antik@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Just fyi. You have cookiejarobserver@burggit.moe in this thread using his alt @CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org here. He is moderator on known pedo and Loli instance burgitt.moe and he has been very angry at us at Lemmy World for calling him out.

He now pretends that it is not his account even though CJO obviously stands for CookieJarObserver, he also speaks German and he is defending the person that is 'totally not him'.

Pretty sure he is using at least one other account here to play stupid - Amillionnames. This user popped up around the same time CJO had his accounts banned and is always in the same threads. And now they are having conversations pretending they are not the same person.

Yes I am all over this thread with my alt (because I could not talk to him from my LW account since he is banned) but it all just clicked. He was in every thread that mentions LW talking shit with his alts which made me wonder why he would not give his main account so this could be reviewed.

Now we know.

https://burggit.moe/u/cookiejarobserver

Bye

[–] some_guy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago

You follow a lot of pedos πŸ™ƒ

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[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wait… doesn’t it say they refederated?

It looks like an update to a post titled when defederation happened before?

[–] Wu9fee@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Oh My bad. I just learned about it now. I think I will just delete the post.

[–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe just edit your title to be accurate?

[–] Wu9fee@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Okay Ill do that

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Seconding a title edit, something like [Refederated] Lemmy.world ...

[–] Wu9fee@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

okay ill use this

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[–] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

And thus the Lemmy.world shitshow continues...

[–] Luci@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm out of the loop, what's going on with .world?

[–] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Admins having a power trip on spez level constantly, making their instance into a walled garden, like reddit, being antisemitic and harass other instances admins.

They believe they own lemmy now because they got lucky and be labeled the "default instance" by most apps and got pushed by many.

They are just as insane as Lemmyml admins.

They damage lemmy as a whole, willingly, with this behavior.

[–] sour@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

why do they participate in the fediverse if they're going to make their instance like a corporate platform

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[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Main issue to the user is random defederations and slightly aggressive moderation.

Personally, I just moved to lemm.ee when I got banned for a week. I don't even remember what for, just that I wanted to continue posting and commenting.

[–] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even the Lemmy.world admins seem to move there because their own moderation don't allow them to be assholes to others...

[–] Antik@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Just have a look at this user's history if you want to know why he got banned. Basically calling us antisemites and what not. His entire history is full of LW shit-talking on his new account. He even admitted "I have a personal problem with these assholes" without actually revealing his main account.

https://lemmy.world/u/CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org

Edit: his main account is cookiejarobserver@burgitt.moe and he is a mod on a pedo instance

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This is one of the biggest issues with having a large part of the user-base end up on the same instance(s).

I do fear that the Fediverse, since this problem happens on all of the federated services I've seen, is one day going to end up just like Reddit/Twitter/etc. Maybe not in the exact same fashion (hopefully), but similar in many ways.

Which is not to say that I don't appreciate the people behind these communities for all that they contribute, don't get me wrong. But we're eclipsing a precipice that is going to be difficult to come back from.

It's a tough problem, and honestly I don't know what the solution is. It's not as simple as "don't have big instances", but the current situation isn't really ideal either.

[–] Butts@ani.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I posted this comment on ani.social and got banned from Lemmy.world:

Who even cares, fuck those guys.

Lemmy.world revealed how far they have their heads jammed waaaaaay up their own assholes when they released their new TOS and were patting themselves on the back about it. Then, in true Le Reddit fashion, anyone in the comments section who dared to question that decision was getting mass down voted by brainless sycophants. Lemmy.world got lucky by being the most visible and attracting the most users this past summer, but it doesn’t make them inherently special, which they clearly now believe they are.

The Fediverse is a new opportunity for internet discussion to feel free and open again rather than confined by kowtowing to corporate interests. These instances defederating from ani.social is forewarning to any users with their heads up that they are just places to avoid anyway.

Now, regardless of whether you agree with my stance or not, or if for some reason you are offended by the fuck word, is criticism of policy seriously an offense so egregious that it warrants a ban?

Of course it isn't.

And before somebody tries to cleverly point out "hurr durr you sound butthurt because you got banned from LW" that's not at all the point I am making here. I'm pointing out the sheer insecure pettiness of the administration at LW that they would get so bent out of shape from some criticism from a throwaway account that they would ban it on the spot.

Ask yourselves if you really want to make LW your home base, because I do not.

Edit: also lol at Antik, a LW admin, coming to this comments section on an alt account and arguing with people. Dozens of testy, sparring comments bordering on harassment. This is the exact immature behavior that I am calling out. He had to literally do nothing to get a win here, yet he deliberately chose to show his ass to everyone instead.

Edit 2: LW banned every user in this thread who posted a criticism of their insecurity, pettiness, irrationality and cognitive dissonance of thinking that "pictures of anime" are somehow all CSAM. They have brigaded this post - roughly 50% of the 100 comments here are from the admin or his alt literally harassing people simply because they stated they do not like LW. These are not the actions of sound-minded individuals, these are the actions of actually insane people.

[–] finthechat@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Curious that this exact comment thread looks so different on Lemmy.ca (original instance) versus how it appears on Lemmy World.

At the time of posting this, the original thread has 13 comments as opposed to the sanitized version on Lemmy World, which has 6 comments. Naturally, all of the comments critical of LW do not appear on their version.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You sure it's not just because those comments were submitted by ani.social users during the period which the instances were defederated from each other?

[–] finthechat@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's from manual bans, not defederation. Both Butts@ani.social (the parent comment in this chain) and CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org (commenter providing a critical summary of why people are upset) are banned at LW.

At the time of writing this comment, by looking at the LW modlog you can see Butts was banned 3 hours ago because "fuck those guys" and 17 hours ago CJOTheReal was banned because "LW admins are assholes."

I am guessing those ban reasons are quotes from the banned users themselves, not the actual reason why an admin personally banned them, though that hardly makes it justifiable - in fact it does the opposite by proving that LW admins actually are power tripping and banning for petty reasons.

[–] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago

I nither of us gives a shit tbh, we just think they are power tripping like reddit mods. And Don't engage in their instance shithole. Btw at least one of the admins keeps following several users around like a creep constantly attacking the users and saying "look what they say" like anyone gives a shit...

Let's call them spezes from now on...

[–] Antik@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

Or you could have a look at CJOTheReal post history and see for yourself.

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[–] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lemmy.world but the world is made in China...

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I quickly moved my main account to a new instance back when it was shown how more users in a single instance slowed everything down. If it ever came down to it, I would just run my own instance to be able to control what I can and cannot see instead of letting someone else choose for me.

[–] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago

SDF doesn't block anything so it was my choice.

[–] neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space 3 points 1 year ago

They defederated from us over the same pretense, but there is no loli or csam to be found here and there never was.

Just some anime girls which was enough for a full defed.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And people keep saying that it doesn't matter that the admins of the largest subs are insane people. It's very clear that they intend to use their influence to shape the fediverse and create walled gardens around anything from political ideology to inane biases.

It's critically important to call them out on this shit. It doesn't do much, but it's better than doing nothing.

[–] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago

See below lol

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