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[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 53 points 2 years ago (4 children)

People will do anything to avoid installing "linux"...

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 52 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I'm amazed there are people out there putting windows on a Steam Deck. It's like buying a Monet and then bringing it home and doodling on it in finger paint

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[–] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 12 points 2 years ago

Fact of the matter is the most successful Linux devices are the ones that you don’t need to know Linux to use. Chromebooks and steam decks are popular because they don’t need tinkered with. You can if you want, but the average person can just use it.

[–] averyminya@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The Steam Deck is the first Linux machine that hasn't killed itself on me or given me hiccups during basic installations of things.

The only thing the Steam Deck hasn't "just worked" for me for is Rocksmith.

Again, the Steam Deck is the only Linux machine that I've had that just works and does not make me want to tear my hair out.

When Linux accomplishes that it will be more popular. Until then, it feels like trying to play whackamole with fixes and solutions to things that should just work in the first place.

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, the fact that it just works and comes with the hardware is good.

However I think the article is suggesting a world where gamers go and install SteamOS as a regular distro. I think that's going to be a lot harder and more error prone than just installing Mint and putting Steam on it.

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[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd argue it hasn't imploded on you because it's immutable. You'd have a similar rock solid experience on any of the immutable Fedora releases (Silverblue, Kinoite etc) or some of the other immutable distros

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah as much as I love Linux, it's much more tuned for tinkerers, developers, and techies because everything is rtfm and troubleshooting yourself. After the initial setup process though, you would have gained enough knowledge to fix a lot of things if it ever is broken.

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[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I just spent 2 hours trying and failing to get a Hello, World! in Eclipse, I'm not brave enough for Linux

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago

Your first mistake was using Eclipse...

Which programming language do you want to use?

[–] neeeeDanke@feddit.de 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Depending on what you want to do the one does not imply the other. (And some times coding actually is easier on Linux, I had a way better experience compiling my c++ projects there then my friend had on windows)

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's easy to compile things in Windows! First, set up WSL ...

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It’s easy to compile things in Windows! First, set up WSL …

Yep, echo "Hello World!" works just as well in WSL as under native Linux.

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[–] frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

~~I mean, if you really want it, HoloISO is almost the exact same thing, just without any support from Valve.~~

Edit: Looks like Bazzite is a much better option nowadays.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

HoloISO is almost the exact same thing, just without any support from Valve.

All public interest in HoloISO pretty much died when the author came out as a fanboy of Putin's war. The aforementioned Bazzite seems to be the best supported option these days.

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[–] Residency9664@feddit.de 24 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Check out Bazzite. Works pretty well on Desktop in my opinion.

[–] Gabagoolzoo@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

At this moment in time, Bazzite is just straight up a better experience than SteamOS. Fedora backend with rpm-ostree is way better than what Valve has going on. And for Steam Deck, GNOME just makes more sense for touch interfaces.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Yeah, I was puzzled why Valve chose KDE to be the default desktop for a touchscreen device. Ultimately though I figured they just wanted a Linux desktop that would be more familiar to Windows users.

[–] bear@slrpnk.net 19 points 2 years ago

I would bet the main reason is that KDE is way more willing to accept features and contributions outside of the typical use case than Gnome is.

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[–] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I hope it does because the biggest problem for handhelds like the Ally is the atrocious experience as soon as you leave steam big picture. Armor Crate is buggy as hell and trying to click anything in windows with the joysticks is not fun. Not to mention the usual Windows shenanigans of “update every damn day” and “spam me with bs about one drive and angry birds”.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, I feel like the Steam Deck is the only handheld PC that could be a decent experience without trackpad, since it provides a console like experience. It's pretty unacceptable in my opinion to have windows handhelds forcing a windows desktop experience without a trackpad.

[–] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I imagine some of the smarter people at Microsoft are seeing the Steam Deck unfold and are realizing it's a potential threat. Desktop is dying, and gaming is one of the few segments still doing alright in the space. Microsoft wants to make sure games continue to be made for Windows even as mobile and consoles take over the lion's share of profits. They haven't been buying up studios just to prop up Xbox 😉. The Deck runs Windows games, and if compatibility ever reaches a point that the average gamer doesn't need to know they aren't running Windows, Microsoft is in big trouble. With the progress made just in the last five years alone, it's an eventual possibility.

Licensing is a cost in an already razor-thin market. If gamers won't care that a device isn't running Windows - they won't install Windows on it, and the OEM will just pocket the difference. Valve also has an advantage traditionally enjoyed by console manufacturers. They can sell it at no profit or even a loss, because Steam Store sales will make the money back.

So long as Valve keeps steady progress and improving compatibility, they will carve out their niche. If they can somehow get studios with major multiplayer games to provide official support, the chicken and egg problem will solve itself.

[–] neeeeDanke@feddit.de 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't think microsoft worrys that much about PCs they make their money in B2B where they profit from Lock-ins due to their vast ecosystem not because companys use windows for gaming.

[–] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago

Very true. It’s similar to NVIDIA in that way. Their money comes from data centers, licensing, and B2B - not gaming GPUs. I’m speaking in the terms of Windows on traditional consumer desktops and their position in that space. I don’t mean to sound like one of the usual “MS is dead any day now” people, cause frankly they are wrong.

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[–] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can tuna steam deck but you can't tuna fish

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[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I don't think SteamOS is a good desktop OS. It's designed for a gaming console, e.g. a handheld or gaming pc connected to a tv.

The desktop mode is great but the immutable filesystem isn't good for installing of system level apps that are necessary for day to day usage. E.g. kernel modules for OBS virtualcam, VirtualBox and similar.

Any Linux distro with Steam is a generally better experience for desktop usage. SteamOS is big picture mode by default, a desktop OS should open the desktop by default.

That's why I think people will be disappointed if Valve releases SteamOS for any pc.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago

Immutable OS's are increasingly popular. While some types of software are harder to install, the system being harder to break is very appealing. I know if I setup my wife/kids/parents with a Linux OS I would go with an immutable OS to reduce how much they could accidentally break.

Big thing is SteamOS needs a way to install traditional packages permanently. Other immutable OS's usually offer an option to reboot to install packages not otherwise available/viable through flatpak or distrobox/nix.

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[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago

So what comes first: SteamOS for desktop or Half Life 3?

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