The best response to "the algorithm" is no algorithm. Sort by easily sortable metadata.
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Sorting by date, or by karma formula (aka Hot) are algorithms. The key is that you chose those algorithms and know how they work.
This is the reddit "ackshually" game. Yes, any piece of code that accepts input and produces output could qualify as an "algorithm", but no one, when talking about social media sorting algorithms means "sorted by date". Let's leave that shit on Reddit. I don't want to play that.
I don't know how Hot sorts. But if it's more than just sorting by highest to lowest karma for posts, then I'd argue we should also do away with it.
We should rely solely on simple, transparent ordering
Sure, as long as you can turn it off
Oh yeah, that should be a given.
Y'know ... kinda modularizing your own algorithm and then simply providing it to the users with a shiny UI full of settings should theoretically be doable.
That would simply be another front page sort option. Hey I'm all for that. Right now we have a healthy list, but I'd welcome "custom" or "smart" as well.
Smart sort could be fun to implement. One could set up Bayesian filtering, or Markov chains, similar to spam filtering, set to promote posts that are similar to posts you've upvoted.
Or one could train a neural network (though that may require too much computing power).
The issue with sorting by stuff it thinks you like is problematic, I think. You'll eventually end up in a bubble where the things you see will be reinforced more over time.
If this is at an instance level... Fine? As long as it's visible.
I'd worry you're promoting some amount of information siloing if the current general purpose instance structure doesn't hold though.
I agree, visibility is key. No mystery algorithms!
That and I worry about algorithms that are engagement-based - we don't want feeds that devolve into rage-porn and constant pie-fights. You're right, some of these algorithms have side-effects...
I think some of that devolution going to be inevitable or you're going to face charges of censorship from some corners, which is just it's own cycle of rage. The network gets bigger, people click what they click and the aggregate of what our animal brains react to has a lot to be angry about.
What I worry most about is the acceleration of that cycle because we gradually gravitate towards instances with our preferred moderation or slant, which I can already see happening anyway.
I guess, at best, that It might be a cure with some side effects because it's necessarily going to play with in/out crowd dynamics.