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Determinants of electric vehicle emissions savings and costs across locations and individuals Marco Miotti and Jessika E Trancik*

Following is in video description by @MoneyShift

The most common argument against electric cars is that once you factor in battery manufacturing and lithium mining, they aren't actually cleaner. MIT tested that directly, and the answer is no longer ambiguous.

Researchers Marco Miotti and Jessika Trancik built a lifecycle model covering thousands of US zip codes, drilling down to individual driver behavior rather than comparing broad regions. They accounted for battery and vehicle manufacturing, fuel extraction and refining, regional electricity mix, local meteorological data, traffic density, trip length and duration, acceleration patterns, gas and electricity prices, and state fees. The study appears in Environmental Research Letters.

The concession first: building a battery is dirtier than building a comparable gas car, and an EV starts life with a larger manufacturing footprint. MIT states that plainly rather than working around it.

The findings: in most US locations, a battery electric vehicle reduces lifetime greenhouse gas emissions by 40 to 60 percent compared to a similar gas vehicle, with larger reductions in urban areas. On cold weather, MIT found that in a climate like North Dakota, efficiency can drop as much as 50 percent on a particularly frigid night, but the effect on annual emissions benefits is minimal. Miotti's own conclusion was that even in the most unfavorable conditions, EVs still reduce emissions substantially.

On cost, EVs are competitive with comparable combustion vehicles in lifetime ownership cost across most of the country, even without clean vehicle tax credits. Where electricity is relatively affordable, battery electrics tend to cost less outright. The study also found that individual driving behavior matters roughly as much as regional electricity mix, with the biggest reductions going to people who drive more, drive larger vehicles, and spend more time in traffic.

MIT also updated their public tool at carboncounter.com, where you can compare lifecycle emissions and ownership costs for nearly any car on the market.

None of this means you have to like electric cars. Dislike the steering feel. Dislike the brake feel. Want a manual. Those are real objections. The emissions one is finished.

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[–] isekaihero@ani.social 9 points 3 days ago (7 children)

They've outsourced our jobs to China for the past 50 years, haven't increased minimum wage since 2009, and have skyrocketed the cost of everything with inflation but we can't have cheap chinese EV's in the USA because it's bad for some reason. Honestly I think we need to shoot our oligarchs. I just have to say it. The only reason they aren't letting us buy cheap EV's is because the only way they can keep themselves rich is by rigging the economy using anti free market regulations. The rich USA oligarchs have effectively become communist. This is what communists do.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

Agreed. IMO the epstein-billionaire class cannot be reformed.

[–] foobaz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

In my opinion it's absurd to associate these people with communism in any way.

They accumulated their power / influence by abusing an underregulated and corrupt capitalistic system.

Additionally - although I understand the sentiment - calling for their execution is just wrong. Instead what we need is market regulation (and maybe put them in jail if possible).

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[–] Seimhe@lemmy.world 71 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

As long as we have the problem of cars, this sounds like the least worse option.

Thanks for outlining it in the post OP. I never watch videos, but I read the text.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (13 children)

When sodium batteries become the norm, lithium mining won't be a factor and the picture will improve even more.

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[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 48 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's so neat that you cite the source when the video author does not lmao

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 27 points 4 days ago

lol at least he named them so I could find it myself.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 days ago (7 children)

If the world governments were actually serious about carbon emissions and transitioning to EV, they would bring in standardization laws on EV designs. It's currently a fragmented mess. Tesla casts their frames around a battery, making both replacement and frame repair impossible. We need to start with one standardized battery pack that is easy to replace. This would keep cars on roads 20+ years.

[–] TBi@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Also locking down replacement parts to only dealer installs needs to be banned.

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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (7 children)

If it's 40-60%... (which is amazing).. then my gasoline car that's past its half life should be used instead of buying a new electric one?

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

Your gasoline car will be used for its lifetime no matter who drives it. If your concern is to reduce overall emissions, just get an EV instead next time you change, whenever that is.

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[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

EvEn ThE tIrEsSs?

For a while the right was claiming that evs, being heavier, caused more pollution from wear and tear on roads and tires.

Glad this article shows it was bs

[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 3 days ago

It isn't bullshit, just overblown.

A lot of microplastics in our environment come from tires. And more heavy vehicles definitely cause more. But the difference in weight between an ICE and EV is too small to really count. Especially compared to a truck.

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[–] dudesss@piefed.ca 15 points 4 days ago (31 children)
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[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 21 points 4 days ago (25 children)

Batteries are a problem but it doesn't take much napkin math to see that, on an individual level, homecharging an EV for 30-50 years is better than distributing and burning the energy-equivalent gasoline over the same period. It's better if off-peak grid energy is used. Even more efficient if the grid power is generated partially with renewables. Or best of all, homecharge from a home battery system that recharges exclusively from home solar. It is the highest initial cost outlay and highest initial inputs of polluting materials, but then the resulting power approaches being "free" for the life of the system, and creates no further emissions in its generation process.

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