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[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I hate the practice of Hostile Architecture/Anti-Homeless Architecture, just let someone sleep till the sun comes up. As long as they ain't hurting anyone or the area then, it's whatever.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I kinda get it to an extent. I've had friends that lived in a bar district that couldn't get out of their door because the same guy set up shop on their stoop every morning. They tried to convince him to just move to the side leaving them enough room to get in and out without trying to step over him. They tried to get him to work with services to help but he had no f's left to give. He peed there, never crapped there, though. I do wonder where he went to do that.

The right answer is to properly support, help, and house the homeless, and a city with the wherewithall to maintain a park could definitely make a dent on that.

[–] spicystraw@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I agree that support is needed, but I can't take this argument seriously.

Your anecdote is an annoying case, sure. But one personal experience isn't representative of the broader homeless population, and it's certainly not a good argument for hostile architecture.

Using a single cherry-picked encounter to draw sweeping conclusions is exactly how you get policy that "solves" a stereotype instead of a real problem. Broad statistics don't care about your one story, and neither should public policy.

[–] horus_son_of_isis@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Mental illness and homelessness go together like sex and cigarettes. You can have 1000 days of harmless hobos sleeping on benches, and all it takes is 1 or 2 stark-raving madmen attacking or harassing people to shift attention and spark concern about safety (falling property values because that neighborhood has a "bum problem")

I'm not saying it's right, it just how things work.

Edit: I've paid high rent to live somewhere and had to deal with panhandlers, hobos, and thieves. Kindness wasn't a valuable tool. Needless to say it hits different when you are the one being affected.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I agree that support is needed, but I can’t take this argument seriously.

The way I see it, someone at city hall went out of pocket several hundred dollars to customize those benches. And then they're paying someone to come out every morning and unlock them (or not and just leaving benches locked indefinitely). All so life is now harder for people already sleeping rough.

Does anyone really believe the city councilor or mayor or whomever who went through that trouble is going to be releasing money to improve municipal services for homeless residents? I certainly don't.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Ok, let's turn that argument on it's head. In what world is not blocking benches and seats in a public a better solution than state funded programs to get the homeless sheltered and fed. I can tell you right now that the numbers of shelters available are shit everywhere I've been and most have little to no support for mental health, addiction or anything, just draconian rules about in/out times and in most cases fees.

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They don't need the benches, they shouldn't have to be on the benches. they shouldn't feel the need to be on the grate in the winter or camping under an underpass.

[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Damn people choosing to be broke. To the debtor's prison with them.

[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 208 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I never considered this before, but now I'm glad I carry lock picks with me everywhere. That shitty padlock would take 10 seconds and I'd be on my way with a new beginner practice lock.

Fuck hostile architecture, fuck anywhere that makes an already shitty situation worse by telling the homeless "we don't view you as people, go die somewhere else"

[–] Freeposity@lemmy.world 93 points 4 days ago (13 children)

And it's not even just the homeless who are affect by shit like this. I can't tell you how many park benches I slept on in my twenties when I lived in Europe and I'd stay out too late and have to chill out somewhere until morning.

In America you can't take a nap in your car or even read a book in your car without having the cops hassle you.

I wonder what the cops are going to do when all vehicles are driverless.

[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

"the homeless" are always used as the excuse for stuff like this, but (as you stated are an example of) plenty of people "rough sleep" without being homeless. I've never slept on a bench, but I've spent a few nights in state parks with a hammock due to not wanting to be around my family for varying reasons. Once because I was supposed to be sleeping at a friend's house but went to a party and decided fuck this imma leave.

It's funny you mention reading because I've actually been harassed by cops for "loitering" in the park when I was sitting in my car reading.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 38 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Just so you know, if a cop ever catches you with lock picks, depending on the jurisdiction, they may try to arrest you for possession of lock picks with intent to burglarize (in the US, at least). Not saying you shouldn’t - but be mindful of what the potential legal hazards are in the worst case.

[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 4 days ago (7 children)

I'm well aware, and unfortunately I am in one of those states. If they ever decide to search me and my purse, they'll find it.

Mere possession is considered proof of criminal intent. But I also always have a clear acrylic lock and easy padlock to show interested people how to pick a lock. It's fun and cheap as a hobby. So if I ever do get caught, at least I can make the argument of it being a hobby more convincing. I don't really expect to get off easy because of that, but if I'm ever caught and searched by cops, having a set of lock picks will probably not be my biggest concern.

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[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Its a masterlock you don't even need a pick.

[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 4 days ago

A stiff breeze could do it, but you can also just hit it with a rock if it doesn't pop open from a stern glance.

I had a shitty 40mm masterlock on my locker in middle school and I wouldn't even bother with a key, if just yank hard on it once or twice and the jostling was enough to pop it free.

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[–] osanna@lemmy.vg 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

yay. inconveniencing people AND making homeless people's lives worse. Makes sense. /s

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

"its putting your head in the sand, kicking the can down the road" policy, no intention of alleviating it. probably gives reason for certain politicians to get elected. our region started doing something to the homeless in an area of our city(sweeping leo prescence, especially when world event/conferences are around) and they immediately move near the WFoods where i frequent, and they are robbing it blind(because store policy is not even to approach or give them customer service). when before they were more spread out and congregate in an area, that they dont stray far from causing "less" problems.

[–] CalypsoGirl@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My takeaway from this is FREE FOOD AT YOUR WHOLE FOODS? Sweet! DM me the address! 🤣 (jk haha)

[–] horus_son_of_isis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Whole foods asparagus water: $8

Whole foods aspargus water shoved into your asscrack while mumbling incoherently: priceless

[–] Ravenheart@lemmy.zip 43 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Hostile infrastructure, intended to heap misery upon the most miserable among us. We punish people who should be helped, and help people who should be punished. What a backwards world.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 74 points 4 days ago (15 children)

Why are they so obsessed with making sure the homeless don't get a basic, involuntary need? Like just shoot them if you are going to be this cruel, and you are going to kill them anyway.

[–] raze2012@lemmy.world 48 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The cruelty is the point. They'll say a homeless person doesn't deserve a fee hundred bucks a month to get back on their feet, but they'll spend 100 grand a year per person to make them more miserable. It's just good job security (and satisfaction) for the police unions.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 23 points 4 days ago

They spend YOUR money too, possibly making you homeless in the process.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

Cruelty is definitely a big part of it but also NIMBYism. If we don't see the homeless people, we don't have to think about them and try to find solutions.

[–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Yes, I really can't wrap my way around their way of thinking.

There are people who have such big issues in life, and such bad options, that a bench in a park is their best option for a place to sleep. That is horrible, and something must be done. And politicians think removing their best option is a solution?

If people can show enough compassion to invest in getting these people back on their feet, if you are really just going to ignore them - at least to that. Let them be.

If we're talking drunk people causing issues, and they need to learn to go home instead - then I'd get it. Not my preferred solution, but I'd get it.

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 77 points 4 days ago (10 children)

If you don't want to see homeless people in your park: HOUSE THEM

[–] kamee@lemmy.zip 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Why spend money on housing them when you can instead (i assume) employ someone to keep to anti-homeless benches on schedule and pay consultants extraorbitant fees to help you design anti-homeless parks

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 days ago

Ironically, the guy who has the job of maintaining the equipment and schedule

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 15 points 3 days ago

Mildly infuriating? This is disgusting shit.

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Ooh, free lock-picking practice!

I don't think it would be illegal to non-destructively unlock that lock.

- Ex-cop

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 3 days ago (7 children)

It's a master lock, it won't give you as much practice time as you hope.

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[–] lookitsjustin@lemmy.ca 44 points 4 days ago

Dystopian as fuck.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 4 days ago (5 children)

It's a masterlock though, you can pick it by lightly touching the keyhole with a blade of grass

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Only if you're the lawyer, everyone else needs to put a little force behind the blade of grass

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 19 points 4 days ago

"Hey, this is the Lockpicking Lawyer and today I have a Masterlock......and it's already open."

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 47 points 4 days ago

Another example of a society that has lost its mind, and has become psychopathic, because they see sociopathy as a form of freedom. When instead it oppresses the population where it should help.

A Psychopathic solution to a problem that is also caused by psychopathy.
To call it a weapons free zone is disgusting, when we all know it's to prevent the homeless from sleeping there.

[–] Quexotic 8 points 3 days ago

I guess it's time to put a bench there, get a hammer drill, put some holes in the cement, and bolt that fucker to the ground, and then round the bolts so they can't take it out.

[–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 27 points 4 days ago

more like "wildly infuriating"

[–] crwth@piefed.zip 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sometimes I walk around town late at night. Last week I saw a guy with a sleeping bag napping in the park gazebo. He wasn't bothering me or anyone, so I just let him be.

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[–] TR3@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I guess this is how English and Spanish work but coming from language where the word “free” is not used in similar manner I find it somewhat funny that here we have “free zone / zona libre” and it means that the bench is locked and so many things are prohibited.

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (4 children)

It's easier to lock up a bench than build an affordable home.

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[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's got to be annoying just to lock and unlock a bench probably every day. Also the bench can still be used as a backboard while you sit on the ground.

It doesn't stop being a chair it's just hostile architecture

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