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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

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[–] MasterNerd@lemm.ee 196 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Kinda weird that they're calling it an OS, but ig they're just trying to cater to the windows audience

[–] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 157 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux is in fact KDE/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, KDE plus Linux.

[–] d_k_bo@feddit.de 84 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Windows, is in fact, Adware/NT, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Adware plus NT.

[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 17 points 2 years ago

Adware + New Technology (from the 1990s)

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[–] killerinstinct101@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago (12 children)

KDE neon is what they're selling

[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago

Selling as in advertising, I might add. Neon is free

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[–] GustavoM@lemmy.world 166 points 2 years ago (6 children)

"But can Linux install things via a single .exe file? HAHAH EAT IT NERD!"

- 10'ish years ago past me, before discovering the magical wonders of the package manager

[–] RQG@lemmy.world 56 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I found since people are used to app stores, I've had a much easier time convincing people to try out Linux. My mom even said that she always wished her windows PC had a proper app store.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

I think it's still important to explain the key difference between an "app store" and a package repository: the latter isn't a "store" because everything is free.

[–] RQG@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

True but it helps get the concept across so much.

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[–] embed_me@programming.dev 42 points 2 years ago (8 children)

With app images it's easier than installing. Although the chmod step will deter the typical windows user

[–] Kierunkowy74@kbin.social 30 points 2 years ago (4 children)

What chmod step?

When I clicked on new app image, the OS told me, that program /name of app/ will be launched, I clicked "Continue" and it runs! No meddling with "chmod" or anything like that.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 2 years ago

Same, I love AppImages for that. I just wish they also had way to contain configurations instead of putting it on the system. That would make it even more portable.

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[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 133 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Windows 11 takes your money, gives you ads, sells your information and ignores your bug reports and feature requests

KDE is free, ad-free and open to contribution

I think we have a clear winner here

[–] desconectado@lemm.ee 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (27 children)

But can it run proprietary software used in the industry? From Excel to Photoshop, if you are in a collaborative professional environment, you can't run away from those, and don't tell me you can use the alternatives in Linux, because no, you can't. This is not linux fault, but it's still an issue you can't handwave.

I love linux, but you can't expect people to adopt it just because it's objectively better than windows.

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[–] ultra@feddit.ro 22 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Not to mention free as in freedom.

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[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 90 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Linux is the modern OS and windows is just a bunch of old shitty technology in a trench suit.

[–] allywilson@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 years ago (5 children)

This is kinda how I feel about Windows these days. It's interface, directory structure, shudder the registry, user specific apps (from MS Store or Winget), buttons being inserted into the menu bars on some apps, but not others, button sizes being different sizes, some parts still using the Metro interface. The whole thing either needs a re-write, or should be dropped and something new to replace it. Don't even get me started on things like the eventvwr hanging for 20 seconds after it opens, event tracer API, their in-house abandonment of powershell modules once powershell was open sourced, Windows containers being a disaster, etc.

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[–] HouseWolf@lemm.ee 77 points 2 years ago (15 children)

So basically ever since I first tried Windows 7 I held it as the "Gold standard" for desktop OS's. Half my tweaks to Windows 10 were trying to get it as close to Win7 as I possibly could.

When I finally start experimenting with Linux early this year KDE quickly got me to reconsider my "Gold standard" and finally switch my main machine fully to Linux.

No regrets and certainly ain't switching back even if Microsoft gave me updated Windows 7 with every extra feature I wanted back then.

[–] Patch@feddit.uk 44 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

I've been a Linux user for a decade and a half now, but still use Windows on my corporate laptops. Honestly, it's baffling how Microsoft seem to consistently manage to miss the mark with the UI design. There's lots to be said about the underlying internals of Windows vs Linux, performance, kernel design etc., but even at the shallow, end user, "is this thing pleasant to use" stakes, they just never manage to get it right.

Windows 7 was...fine. It was largely inoffensive from a shell point of view, although things about how config and settings were handled were still pretty screwy. But Windows 8 was an absolutely insane approach to UI design, Windows 10 spent an awful lot of energy just trying to de-awful it without throwing the whole thing out, and Windows 11 is missing basic UI features that even Windows 7 had.

When you look at their main commercial competition (Mac and Chromebook) or the big names in Linux (GNOME, KDE, plenty of others besides), they stand out as a company that simply can't get it right, despite having more resources to throw at it than the rest of them put together.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 years ago (4 children)

To me it's absurd how Microsoft gets beaten by a free desktop environment when windows is like their main product. They have billions of dollars. How do they manage to not do better?

[–] pbjamm@beehaw.org 14 points 2 years ago

Because they dont have to.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world 59 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Microsoft will probably never truly catch up with KDE

[–] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Plasma 6 is approaching fast

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[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 57 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Plasma is not a system, but I see how they didnt want to confuse people here

[–] oce@jlai.lu 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It is a desktop environment system.

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[–] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 55 points 2 years ago (6 children)

In the newest windows, it is even possible to hover the volume icon and change it with the mouse wheel!!!

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Does clicking on it open the mixer, or still the useless menu which should be accessible with a right click instead?

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago

KDE had that pretty much since the invention of the mouse wheel.

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[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 years ago

KDE is the best desktop environment.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I came back to KDE after a long absence because I never liked it back in the day (I found it ugly and bloated). I was really surprised by how good it has become. It's now my favourite desktop environment on Linux, and I'm looking forward to version 6. So to any other oldies still avoiding KDE because of how it used to be, it's worth another look.

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[–] Titou@feddit.de 24 points 2 years ago

not a kde user but huge respect to them

[–] heygooberman@lemmy.today 23 points 2 years ago

It's not my primary driver, but I would gladly choose KDE over Windows.

[–] Synthead@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

To be fair, forcing a bunch of software on the machine users own was never a good move, and in my opinion, not a new normal.

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[–] RuikkaaPrus@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 years ago

Fully based

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[–] yoz@aussie.zone 17 points 2 years ago (21 children)

What's plasma ? Is it a browser? Sorry, I dont understand computers

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[–] kshade@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (6 children)

KDE nerds: Is there a way to get a normal app launch indicator (cursor with a loading icon/hourglass) instead of either nothing or the little hopping icons that don't animate right?

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