Well we have a pretty large body of evidence now that Tua is either 1) on time with the offense and accurate within 25 yards, or 2) a disaster waiting to happen. While absolutely never in between.
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Something I haven't seen talked about in this thread is both teams rushing touchdowns
The Dolphins have 19 rushing touchdowns. Bills have 12, with 7 of those being Allen.
The teams fundamentally score differently, Allen is a lot more of the focus on the Bills offense compared to Tua. This isnt a bad thing mind you, but something to note when looking at total touchdowns when comparing the QBs. Theyre both elite and have had interception issues, especially this season
Wow, I’m over here shitting on Allen, look at me being part of the problem
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All I see are two elite QBs that people love to hate on because the league has either shoved them down their throats or people don't like to be proven wrong about being good or not. Chances are if you compare your QB against Tua or Josh they aren't as good as them with a few exceptions to that.
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14 turnovers versus 15 & 22 passing TDs vs 22 passing TDs
Let’s cherry pick some more
It just shows you the power of narrative. I’ve heard Tua mentioned as a potential MVP while no one is saying that about Josh Allen and some are even calling him washed.
And not derail the thread, but a similar thing happens with Brock Purdy. He’s currently out performing some pretty good QBs (and handily) yet somehow some people are convinced he’s worse than all of them.
It’s weird.
Dolphins are in first place, the Bills are currently missing the playoffs. Players on successful teams always get more accolades.
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It's because people haven't seen his interceptions. Most have been when a drive is gonna die anyway and he's throwing an arm punt
Also he has 5 interceptions that aren't his fault at all
Despite having one of the lowest turnover worthy throw rates people say he is turnover prone
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I mean. Bills might miss the playoffs and the Dolphins are winning the division.
taps sign Wins are not a QB stat
I mean hurts has similar turnover numbers and TD numbers and the front runner
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Now do how many fumbles were bad snaps
Two good qbs
Using total fumbles is extremely disingenuous. Fumbles lost should be in your title.
Fumbles lost are literally right below the title. You had to click on the title to get into the thread, actively ignore that the context you're asking for is there and then make this comment.
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Fumble recoveries are largely luck
Not on dropped snaps missed handoffs. Offensive predominantly recover those.
Also there is luck with interceptions as well but this isn't including dropped interceptions. It's using inconsistent metrics.
Tua has 22 TDs, 14 Turnovers
Allen has 29 TDs, 15 Turnovers
Both are turning it over too much for 11 games played. The main difference has been that the Dolphins run game is really good. Dolphins RBs have A LOT more TDs than Bills RBs.
Thanks for writing this out more accurately compared to what OP posted. I was thinking Tua had 20 turnovers
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Allen has one of the lowest turnover worthy throws in the league, about 5 of his interceptions haven't been remotely his fault
The Mahomes experience.
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Few of allens could have been from a rb easily.
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Zach Wilson the only AFCE quarterback with single digit interceptions
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Flirting vs sexual harassment
Better metric is PFF’s turnover worthy play % (lower is better)
Tua: 3.3% (19th best in NFL)
Allen: 2.4% (6th best in NFL)
If anyone is interested, here’s the top 5 and bottom 5 among QBs that have had over 285 passing attempts (basically at least half of games started).
Five best:
Dak Prescott (1.6%)
Matt Stafford (1.9%)
Joe Burrow (2.1%)
Kenny Pickett (2.1%)
Kirk Cousins (2.3%)
Five worst:
Geno Smith (3.9%)
Josh Dobbs (4.0%)
Brock Purdy (4.1%)
Mac Jones (5.1%)
Desmond Ridder (5.6%)
Should also note the most important thing is the ratio of big time throws to turnover worthy plays. Tua just about leads to league in big time throw rate at 6.4%. A 2:1 BTT/TWP ratio is elite.
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Purdy can’t keep getting lucky right?
I’m guessing there’s a correlation between big time throws and turnover worthy plays
purdy elite
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Tua thought he was taking tumbling lessons, turns out they were fumbling lessons
Tua is just not a consistent in being a good quarterback, every-year is a up and down drama with him.
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