after 3 years, almost, if you are still asking yourself this question you probably know the answer.
He is elite at 3 things:
- Running
- Fumbling
- taking sacks
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Fields is not a terrible QB like Zach Wilson, he's a below average NFL starter - probably around the 20th or 21st ranked QB.
He's probably a tier below guys like Mayfield and Carr as a passer.
He seems like a great dude and he can be really exciting to watch.... .but unfortunately he's just fatally flawed. His pocket presence is terrible, he takes sacks at a historically bad rate and he simply can't read defenses consistently and throw with anticipation.
True to the letter.
He may get one more chance to start and then will be a lifetime bridge/backup.
Fumbles
During this past off-season of hearing about how he can't throw I was wondering why the haters didn't bring up the fumbles. Time to move on
Fields is good enough. We probably win the SB if we have him in 2018. He may never be a top 8 guy but he’s under control for another year at the very least.
100% you take MHJ even if you want another QB in the draft. I wouldn’t take him that early but even If the choice is between using the first on Caleb+Nabers or MHJ+Daniels gimme the latter all day.
I think a lot of his mistakes comes from him trying to do too much cuz the bears have been so bad that he’s the only one that’s kept them in games at times. I think if he was on a team that asked him to just be a game manager and make a few highlight plays he could be good in that role but that’s not a franchise guy you pay a big contract to. Thats a guy you pay a little extra to have as a backup if youre a team like the eagles who wants someone to step in for if Hurts were to get injured and he could pull a Nick Foles for them
If Fields does end up being gone, I think his ball security and fumbling will be the biggest reason why. Fields obviously has some limitations that I think a great coach can work with and scheme around so that Fields is put in positions to play his best ball. We don’t see that right now with the current staff. But with the fumbling in the fourth quarter, you can’t blame anybody but Fields for that. And if you’re Poles, do you want to carry on with a quarterback that has a history of consistent fumbling in big moments?
Sacks have also been proven to be a QB stat
Honestly if the Bears didn't have Carolina's pick and had no chance at one of the Top 2 QBs I would be open to keeping Fields with new coaching over taking the 3rd or 4th QB off the board. I think there is a possibility he lands somewhere else and plays really well, which is not something I felt about Trubisky. But there are two legitimate QBs in this draft that are worth moving on from a guy who might be good. I can't pass that up with what I've seen if I'm Poles.
The 3rd and 4th QBs aren’t that good. Nightmare scenario if the Bears fall that low
If that happens you roll with Fields and new coaching -- at least OC, but hopefully HC as well. I don't think it's a nightmare scenario, but I also don't see it likely that the Panthers pick is lower than 2.
Fields has all the tools you need for a good QB. I think if he were to go somewhere with the right coaches and supporting cast, he’d be a playoff-caliber player. Maybe not a true blue chipper, but good enough to make a run.
If that’s the case (big if), then why not try to make it work here? To trade him in for an unknown rookie is another blind stab at getting the position right. He’s got more talent than anyone we’ve had since Cutler, all he needs is to be coached up and game planned for properly.
I’d love to see the Bears hire an offensive coord that has already been a head coach and isn’t trying to get promoted into that role. The problem with the young Shanahanistas is that they’re all trying to make their system the next hot thing. They’re in it for their career, not necessarily to get the most out of the QB they have.
Gimme an older guy that just wants to win and will cater to Field’s strengths.
Get MHJ and then trade the other pick for a haul, stack the trenches with real, fierce, young talent, and let Flus continue the progress the defense is making.
I can’t believe I’m saying this, because I wanted to shove a pitchfork up Flus’ ass just last week. But that defense is playing as inspired as I’ve seen since the first five games of 2018, and then going back to the Lovie days.
Fields can work. Get him the right coach and watch it hum.
He has been coached up since jr high. He still is slow at making reads and makes the same mistakes. It’s not coaching anymore.
Unfortunately, he is missing the most important tool
You're delusional if you think he has all the tools to be a good QB lol. He can't read defenses, doesn't understand pre-snap blitz call outs, and can't throw with anticipation. He has the physical tools, not the mental. He's a good kid, but he's not a winner, especially at this level. Time to move on.
I have a bold prediction. This year's QB draft is weak and will wash out in less then 5 years.
He is not. Moving on ..
It’s interesting how in all of these Fields debate threads I almost never see his injury history mentioned. Even if we keep him and he does end up reaching his potential, that would include using his legs consistently which will always lead to taking hits, plus it’s pretty clear he will always take a lot of sacks.
Taking sacks isn’t the end of the world (Russ and Burrow also take a lot of sacks), and his mobility is one of his best weapons so I’m not saying that should just be avoided at all costs. Just feels like him having an injury and missing games each year since we drafted him should be a bigger concern than most seem to see it as.
Justin Fields is good enough, yes.
There are plenty of teams with QBs who don't have near the level of talent Fields does but have much better supporting casts. The Bears need a better coaching staff to start.
He has things he needs to fix (holding onto the ball too long / fumbles) but he's the leader in that locker room and the video footage coming out between him and Poles the last 24 hours don't show a GM who is going to pick a QB with 1.01.
Poles has his job to think about. If he passes on both QBs in this draft and Fields continues to be poor, he will be gone.
Fields has physical talent but there are backups who read the field better.
Poles has his job to think about. If he passes on both QBs in this draft and Fields continues to be poor, he will be gone.
True, whatever decision he makes will cost him his job and future in his role if he's wrong.
I sincerely believe that the bears organization makes QB's worse. There is simply something about their internal philosophy that disrupts growth of would be great players.
I am not a football expert, just calling it like I see it. For example, had Patrick Mahomes come to Chicago, I genuinely believe he would be significantly less respected today - and it all would be on the bears organization. (Or disorganization, rather)
If you believe that basic concept it honestly doesn't matter who we draft. (Or don't) It isn't even a debate really, we have the worst (literally) history of QB's in Chicago.
Our legacy is literally drafting a new QB ever 3 years and ruining his career. This has been happening for 25 years
Justin is not good enough to play well in spite of a bad scheme and average roster
I'm not sure Justin is good enough, however I think Marvin Harrison Jr is too good to pass on.
I would much rather roll with Justin and have Marvin Harrison then to draft a QB and put him in this same situation.
I think Justin will be a good starter in the NFL for most of his career, but I'm not sure I've seen the consistency from Justin to say "he's my guy no matter what!"
Unfortunately, we won't have the right answer until 2027, but I have enough experience being a Bears fan to let you know they'll probably make the wrong decision on the Caleb vs. Maye vs. Justin situation.
Obviously not. He cannot drop back and beat a team with his arm.
I'm personally of the mindset that Fields is good enough to win with even if he has his limitations. I think a lot of his consistency issues are directly tied to coaching, such as bad gameplans, poor play calling, bad situational decision making, untimely penalties and a failure to consistently maximize his skill set through design. If you have a trade scenario where you can amass another haul of premium draft picks and a good veteran starter or two in a trade back from 1, e.g. the Bryce Young trade, then Fields plus those assets is a greater value to the team then a gamble on a rookie QB that might turn into a bust. I get the potential for reward with an elite QB, but I think the Eagles are the best example for roster building in the NFL right now and I'd prefer to copy them than hope and pray you can be like the Chiefs and win the lotto at QB. Imagine an offseason where we exchange the 1st pick for a high caliber veteran starter, Marvin Harrison Jr, a high end second round pick that turns into a starting center or safety, and future premium draft capital. Then we use our native pick on a blue chip lineman and add quality depth and developmental players with later round picks. Use the over $80 mil in cap space to extend Jaylon Johnson, improve O line depth and plug other roster holes of which there are seemingly much fewer than we had heading into last offseason. Hire a new HC who will commit to building an offense that utilizes our rosters talent and who knows how to handle critical decisions in the game better than our current staff. That would set this team up for immediate and sustained success.
Having said that, I think in all likelihood Poles will bring in a new head coach who will want to start fresh with his own guy at QB because that's how the NFL works and unlike the Cards, we can move on from our incumbent QB without a huge contract preventing a trade.
I think Fields is improving in the aspect of reading defenses, and taking fewer sacks. That’s been his major issue.
The question isn’t if Fields is the guy or not. It’s about weather the team is better off with Fields and a better team because of the trade down draft haul, or having a rookie qb and less picks to improve the team.
It seems to be logical to let Fields get year 4 and have a great team.
in a word, yes
we’ll see how it runs out