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Genuine question... What's up with Hamas? Like when people say Hamas has to be destroyed... What's wrong with that?
I don't think Israel should be killing Palestinians, but I can't really get behind Hamas either.
Not trying to start a fire or anything. Genuinely just curious.
Hamas is just people fed up with their families' suffering. Why would you be opposed to that?
Hamas is only responding to the violence initiated by Israeli colonialism [1] [2]. There was no Hamas in 1948, when Israel ethnically cleansed Palestine and began occupying Palestinian villages [3] [4]; there was no Hamas in 1967, when Israel escalated their occupation and ended up occupying Gaza, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights (part of Syria). The Oslo Accords, the supposed “peaceful and diplomatic” avenue—mainly representing the Palestinian Authority, which is seen as a more peaceful alternative to Hamas—to a “two-state solution” (i.e. some Palestinian government with its own autonomy over East Jerusalem, Gaza, and the West Bank, with the territories seized in 1948 still deemed “Israeli”) were undermined by the Israeli government itself, just as Israel shot innocent protestors peacefully marching along the militarized borders of the Gaza Strip.
Violent resistance to Israel is simply a response to their own violence, of which all of this could be ended by Israel agreeing to end their occupation/apartheid system. Israel has the complete power to eliminate these conditions of oppression that brought Hamas into existence, and nothing positive will come of them escalating this to the nth degree. This is to of course assume that Israel is merely targeting “Hamas terrorists” in the current fighting rather than using their resistance as a scapegoat to expedite the ongoing settler-colonial genocide.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - Arch-liberal John F. Kennedy in 1962.
Israel has refused time and time again to consider Palestinian lives, and has been tightening the screws on Gaza specifically ever since 2014. Israel is easily the party at fault, and everything with the way they treat Palestinians, there is no "nice" option, so the people who are sick and tired of being murdered seemingly for fun are going to fight back.
Israel is a settler-colonial apartheid state which has occupied Palestine for over 70 years now. their end goal is the genocide and removal of the Palestinian people. you don't have to support Hamas' domestic policy or religious beliefs to support them in their liberation struggle. any 'concern' about Hamas, any talk that's like "of course Hamas must be destroyed, but..." serve to make the point that Palestinians don't have the right to resist their oppression - they have to just lay down and face their extinction.
I think this is the best explanation. I guess it's a hard situation. With Israel currently in power, it feels like there's only two options. Either Israel fucks off or Palestine does. I feel like they've made it clear that they're not particularly interested in coexisting.
Israel claims that it was originally their land thousands of years ago. Palestine claims... Pretty much the same thing. I don't feel like either one could be in power without oppressing the other... What options are the public eye not seeing?
I definitely am not claiming that genocide or mass exodus is my recommendation. It's not like my opinion will affect much, anyways. It just feels like a rock and a hard place.
Israel claims that it was originally their land thousands of years ago. Palestine claims... Pretty much the same thing. I don't feel like either one could be in power without oppressing the other... What options are the public eye not seeing?
This is an absurd distortion. Palestinians actually were on that land 100 years ago. The ancestors of Israelis were overwhelmingly in Europe (and anglosphere states) at that time. Go back another century, and the answer is the same, go back 500 years and the only difference is the relative lack of colonists in Australia and the Western Hemisphere. The Israelis have the Old Testament for their claim, Palestinians have real world history.
There were a tiny number of Palestinian Jews who did live in Palestine, some of whom are a tiny number of Israel's current population, but these people were a prop used by the western Allies in the postwar period to create a settler-colony of European/Anglosphere Jewish people, who were funneled into the region.