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A bride to be discovers a reality bending mistake in Apple's computational photography (appleinsider.com)
submitted 2 years ago by stopthatgirl7@kbin.social to c/technology@lemmy.world
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A U.K. woman was photographed standing in a mirror where her reflections didn't match, but not because of a glitch in the Matrix. Instead, it's a simple iPhone computational photography mistake.

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[–] e0qdk@kbin.social 199 points 2 years ago (4 children)

This story may be amusing, but it's actually a serious issue if Apple is doing this and people are not aware of it because cellphone imagery is used in things like court cases. Relative positions of people in a scene really fucking matter in those kinds of situations. Someone's photo of a crime could be dismissed or discredited using this exact news story as an example -- or worse, someone could be wrongly convicted because the composite produced a misleading representation of the scene.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm still waiting for the first time somebody uses it to zoom in on a car number plate and it helpfully fills it in with some AI bullshit with something else entirely.

We've already seen such a thing with image compression.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/xerox-scanners-alter-numbers-in-scanned-documents/

[–] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This was important in the Kyle Rittenhouse case. The zoom resolution was interpolated by software. It wasn't AI per se, but the fact that a jury couldn't be relied upon to understand a black box algorithm and its possible artifacts, the zoomed video was disallowed.

(this in no way implies that I agree with the court.)

[–] wagoner 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I watched that whole court exchange live, and it helped the defendant's case that the judge was computer illiterate.

[–] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

As it usually does. But the court's ineptitude should favor the defense. It shouldn't be an arrow in a prosecutor's quiver, at least.

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The zoom resolution was interpolated by software. It wasn't AI per se

Except it was. All the "AI" junk being hyped and peddled all over the place as a completely new and modern innovation is really just the same old interpolation by software, albeit software which is fueled by bigger databases and with more computing power thrown at it.

It's all just flashier autocorrect.

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[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It should be. All computational photography has zero business being used in court

[–] Decoy321@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We might be exaggerating the issue here. Fallibility has always been an issue with court evidence. Analog photos can be doctored too.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sure, but smartphones now automatically doctor every photo you take. Someone who took the photo could not even know it was doctored and think it represents truth.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago

With all the image manipulation and generation tools available to even amateurs, I'm not sure how any photography is admissible as evidence these days.

At some point there's going to have to be a whole bunch of digital signing (and timestamp signatures) going on inside the camera for things to be even considered.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

This isn't an issue at all it's a bullshit headline. And it worked.

This is the result of shooting in panorama mode.

In other news, the sky is blue

[–] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Like, an episode of Bones or some shit.

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 181 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Saved you a click

https://photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/57517-117166-bride-trio-xl.jpg

[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.world 60 points 2 years ago

Preventing people from perpetuating clickbait "journalism" is so punk rock.

[–] kboy101222@lemm.ee 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Damn, this photo is weirdly unsettling to me

[–] StealThisComment@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago

I'm totally getting Black Swan vibes.

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not even a mistake, this is unavoidable if you move during a panorama. iPhones can't pause time. Cool photo tho

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Uhm, ok?

The way the girl’s post is written, it’s like she found out Apple made camera lenses from orphans’ retinas (“almost made me vomit on the street”). I assumed it was well known that iPhone takes many photos and stitches the pic together (hence the usually great quality). Now the software made a mistake, resulting in a definitely cool/interesting pic, but that’s it.

Also, maybe stop flailing your arms around when you want your pic taken in your wedding dress.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

When have panorama photos ever not done weird stuff?

[–] jtk@lemmy.sdf.org 42 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Who wants photos of a fake reality? Might as well just AI generate them.

[–] LifeInOregon@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Generally the final photo is an accurate representation of a moment. Everything in this photo happened. It’s not really generating anything that wasn’t there. You can sometimes get similar results by exploiting the rolling shutter effect.

https://camerareviews.com/rolling-shutter/

It’s not like they’re superimposing an image of the moon over a night sky photo to fake astrophotography or something.

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[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 19 points 2 years ago (4 children)

A photo is a fake reality. It's a capture of the world from the perspective of a camera that no person has ever seen.

Sure we can approximate with viewfinders and colour match as much as possible but it's not reality. Take a photo of a light bulb, versus look at a light bulb, as one obvious example.

This is just one other way to get less consistency in the time of different parts of the photos, but overall better capture what we want to see in a photo.

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

I agree with this comment but I don't like it 😤

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[–] Chozo@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

To their credit, it's not "fake". This isn't from generative AI, this is from AI picking from multiple different exposures of the same shot and stitching various parts of them together to create the "best" version of the photo.

Everything seen in the photo was still 100% captured in-lens. Just... not at the exact same time.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[–] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 32 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Seriously? She almost vomited because the photos didn’t match? Give me a fucking break!

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I’m pretty sure that was just a joke.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 19 points 2 years ago

The woman in question is a comedian.

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[–] NaoPb@eviltoast.org 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah yes, I remember noticing it would make like a short video instead of one picture, back when I had an iPhone. I turned that function off because I didn't see the benefits.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That’s not what this is. I also turned that off, it’s called “Live Photo” or something like that. Honestly I find it to be a dumb feature.

What this is, is the iPhone taking a large number of images and stitching them together for better results.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's not dumb. It let's you select the best moment within a 1-2 second margin after or before you took the picture.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 years ago (9 children)

No, these are literally just short videos. You interact with them like photos, you see them as photos, half the time people sending them think they are photos, but when you tap all the way into them they are a short video. They are absolutely not presented as a “choose your exact frame” pre-photo things, they are presented as photos.

[–] DeathWearsANecktie@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah "Live photo" really is just an Apple marketing term. You interact with them in a certain way on iOS and they are presented in a certain way, but anywhere else they're just very short videos.

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[–] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's a really cool discovery, but I don't know how Apple is suppose to program against it.

What surprises me is how much of a time range each photo has to work with. Enough time for Tessa to put down one arm and then the other. It's basically recording a mini-video and selecting frames from it. I wonder if turning off things like Live Photo (which retroactively starts the video a second or two before you actually press record) would force the Camera app to select from a briefer range of time.

Maybe combining facial recognition with post processing to tell the software that if it thinks it's looking at multiple copies of the same person, it needs to time-sync the sections of frames chosen for the final photo. It wouldn't be foolproof, but it would be better than nothing.

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Program against it? It's a camera. Put what's on the light sensor into the file, you're done. They programmed to make this happen, by pretending that multiple images are the same image.

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[–] satans_crackpipe@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Stop posting apple advertisments.

[–] orion2145@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

There’s a note at the end of the article that says it was take using pano. So this is doubly unsurprising. Despite the instagram caption reading it wasn’t.

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