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[–] lemmefixdat4u@lemmy.world 103 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Gas bubbles from rotting vegetation are the likely cause in this instance. See this article for an explanation:

Lake Ice - Gas Holes

[–] ace_garp@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Looks like the same thing, good explanation.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 97 points 2 years ago

There are species of seals who actively keep holes open in the ice to use as breathing holes, allowing them to hunt fish even in frozen-over bodies of water.

They're all ocean-dwelling species in the arctic or antarctic oceans, so this isn't the answer to your specific question, but I just think they're neat.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 60 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm not a hydrologist, but I suspect it's due to areas of upwelling warmer water. Alternatively, the ice could have formed, but these spots are where the surface was too unstable to permit that (wind?)

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yep, this is it. The ice is thinner in those areas, allowing more heat from the water to reach the surface

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That, or some very adventurous ice fishermen were out already. people who ice fish are a strange lot. In the nearest hole, you can see in the center where it was drilled down. They could be trying a new pond looking for where the fish are laying.

(I wouldn't trust the ice this early in the year with my worst enemy- mostly because they could probably break out on the way back up. shhhh)

[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago

Ice doesn't form with even thickness naturally, when it warms back up outside, the thinner parts melt faster, and it kind of snowballs due to currents created and stuff like that. So even if the thin areas didn't start out that much thinner, they end up melting way faster anyway.

[–] BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

My best hyptothesis is that in the center of each of those disks a hole may have been or still is through which pond water is wicking upwards and melting the snow in a circular fashion before freezing and coming to a halt. Hence the almost perfect circular shape and the weird lighter color in the center ... notice the crack in the center of the disk in the foreground?

[–] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] arocketscientist5@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Onion-based aliens.

...........they have layers.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That person on the right needs some Gold Bond.

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 2 points 2 years ago

Good guess. Also rocks closer to the surface can transfer heat to the surrounding water.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Fish ghosts.

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago

Where the fish peed.

[–] ace_garp@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Throws dart...

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Geothermal vents, or radioactive rocks.

[–] NoSpotOfGround@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

The one time when "swamp gas" is the answer, and you miss it. For shame...

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

most likely due to varying depth. More shallow will stay warmer I believe because the earth holds temperature longer.

Source: I have a ground source heat pump, which is equivalent to saying I stayed at a holiday inn last night. But it might still be true.

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can bring your girlfriends, and meet me at the hotel room.

[–] fhek@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

cuz a hoe tell everybody

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Shallow water freezes first. Ice acts as an insulator so deep water will get cold but not freeze.

This is likely caused by vegetation at the bottom rotting and the gas rising up till it collects in on area, making the ice thinner and thus higher.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not following why shallow water freezes first.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It has less insulation between the lowest point of the water and the cold air above it. All else being equal ice freezes to uniform thickness. The shallowest parts of a pond or river are the most likely to down to the ground. There's several other factors, but the biggest one mostly comes down to how deep the water is and how fast its flowing if at all.

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[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My hypothesis:

So, basic principles out of the way first, dark absorbs more sun, white reflects it. As the snow melts and reveals the darker colored water beneath, this will begin a runaway feedback loop that will slowly melt more and more ice. Assuming it's not too cold out, anyway.

Since this is actually a runaway feedback loop that is going to eventually melt the whole surface of this body of water, we just need to get it started, and everywhere it starts, it'll spread from. All we need, is something that darkens the surface of the snow.

In the case of that center circle, it's hard to make out, but I think I see a stick jutting out in the exact center. A brown stick, no less.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Having been around melting ice a lot I think this is closer to the right answer. Also decomposing things give off heat. Any vegetation that is decomposing will accelerate ice melting.

[–] username_unavailable@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

That's where decomposing bodies in barrels are releasing gas bubbles as the corpse decomposes. Both because the bubbles are warmer from decomposition and because they disturb the surface of the water, ice formation is disrupted in "warmer below freezing" temperatures.

Source: I'm just winging it bro.

[–] the_q@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] LongbottomLeaf@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

-Rod Stewart and Tina Turner intensify-

[–] MrShankles@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago

Cod Stewart and Tuna Turner

[–] Prezhotnuts@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago

Some stormwater management ponds have aeration systems.

[–] cabillaud@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Swirls in the water?

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] MrShankles@reddthat.com 1 points 2 years ago

Fisher pricemen

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Now i want to know the answer 😫

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just in case you are interested, here is a similar phenomenon - photographed on the moat of Leeds Castle in Kent, UK - back in Jan 2010

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] LongbottomLeaf@lemmy.nz 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not seeing anything in either comment.

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Interesting. I embedded an image in each using the kbin.social web app. Wonder if that functionality doesn’t federate.

Not even seeing any text?

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

Air bubbles I think. Keeps the water moving.

[–] moshtradamus666@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ok Daniel Jackson lets get you back to bed.