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India gave Apple 2.5 years notice. And that doesn’t count the time the legislation was being proposed.
IMHO, it’s totally reasonable to say that newly purchased phones should support USB C, even if the phone’s architecture wasn’t introduced this year.
That sounds very reasonable, I thought they wanted them to retrofit them on phones that were already sold!
Yeah I thought the same, that would be wild.
But for models that are actively being produced, it's fair game.
And on top of that, the tech they're being asked to use is literally a decade old next year.
And apple themselves have been using the tech for over 8 years in other devices of their's.
We all know that the way Apple will do this is to just not sell any version of the iPhone other than the USB-C version. They're not going to add USB-C to old models.
In this case, I would say – fck Apple. Indians demand is solid. Apples shitty policy of random plugs and industry incompatible chargers shouldn't have been born ever and definetly it shouldn't continue. Usually I'm against regulation by goverment, but in this case it is realy for the benefit of users and enviroment.
It's also not like this snuck up on them. Governments around the world warned them very clearly that they had to get onto a standard. Apple dragged their feet the entire time, fighting it at every opportunity, until it went into law.
I don't know what India's law says, but I suspect it boils down to "All phones sold as new after XXXX date must have a USB-C charger". Apple has the choice to modify the older/cheaper designs, or to stop selling them in that market.
Wouldnt be surprising if they just stop shipping the newer phones then. India isn't the EU, most of their smartphones are cheap and low spec, most of their networks are terrible and small bump they've recently had is stil an incredibly small amount as a whole vs the rest of the Indian market.
If most of India's smartphones are cheap and low spec, then Apple's only market is the older models. They will not be able to sell the newer models.
Hey everyone, listen I know times are tough, and coming to decisions to streamline production could give you some relief
But, we were really hoping for $2T by 2030, and this really stretches that target thin.
IMO it's a bit unreasonable to demand them go changing the design of older models aswell. I'm happy that they were forced to switch to USB-C on future models, but I'm with Apple on this one.
Well, that's not exactly the demand. The demand is simply that if they wish to sell a product in the country, it meets their regulatory specifications by June 2025. Apple doesn't have to upgrade their older models, they could also simply stop selling them.
But if they wish to sell a product, it must meet the manufacturing requirements of the region in which they wish to sell. Hardly a big deal if you ask me.
How many do they really sell in India though? It doesn't matter how old and crappy your iPhone is, there's a cheaper Android phone. Android is like 95% of phones out there.
India is 6% of Apple's market, and growing.
Why is it unreasonable?
This isnt demanding apple to retrofit usb-c to old phones. This is telling them to stop producing new phones with lightning, and instead use USB-C.
This is highly relevant for India as it's a price conscious market, and Apple sells a lot more older models than elsewhere, specifically Europe who passed a similar law but on new models only.
And if a student figured out how to add a fully functional usb-c port to an iPhone X, I'm sure apple can figure it out for an iPhone 14.
I don't think its unreasonable. Apple can afford it and it's better for customers.
Win-win unless you're an Apple investor (which you're not.)
why? they have more than enough money to do so.
Oh my God bro get off Steve Jobs' massive cock
Anything that makes Apple unhappy makes me happy.
Yeah. Could you imagine if this was the norm everywhere?
Crazy how people are always cool with lowering their standards but never cool with raising them.
Because companies like Apple tell them what standards to have.
The only people who should care about apple's "happiness" are those who are invested in it.
"Happiness" for a for-profit corporation just means how much they're maximizing profit.
Boo fucking hoo
India joins the party 🥳
I'm usually happy about the things that Apple is unhappy about. And I'm all in so there's no anti-Apple bias.
They want their products to bind but not protect you, I demand they protect but do not bind me. And I'm not one to compromise
I just don't buy apple.
If I'm understanding what you wrote, I think you actually are bound to Apple. Most people in the Apple ecosystem aren't going to leave it, because there's too much inertia to overcome to leave it.
What I mean is I configure everything so it works for me and everything is portable/exportable and contingencies are in place so if they ever start screwing around again to an extent I can't tolerate or mitigate, then at least my data isn't hostage in the process while I reassess.
I don't allow any of their defaults to stand before I start breaking in whatever product/service.
NO
So why even have an Apple device?
Good question.
Cuz it does lots of other cool shit that keeps me reeled in and it has some irreplaceable apps and other functions I rely on to manage my life. I just like to have custody and sole access to my data and they don't pay me for said data so its need to know basis.
C'mon, they made so much money with their proprietary shit, they could eat their hat on this one (well barely the border of it)
What kind of hat is apple eating?
iHat I guess
Happle
Hattle
A hat made of apple
Oh no, not their production targets! Allow me to play this song on the world's tiniest violin.
Fuck Apple.
Apple told the regulators that implementing the changes would mean it won't be able to "meet the PLI targets," minutes from the meeting state. PLI, India's Production-Linked Incentive scheme, is a major project of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, providing manufacturers with financial incentives for investments and incremental annual phone sales.
The use of USB-C in the iPhone 15 means Apple meets the criteria for the rules with its current-gen hardware. However, the bulk of its sales in India are based around older iPhone generations.
Apple says it can comply with a timeline for compliance by June 2025 if existing models are exempted from the rules. Otherwise, it would need another 18 months beyond 2024 if there isn't an exemption.
I guess fuck apple. They knew legislation and they had 2.5 years. If they can't meet its their problem, pay fines or make usb-c iPhone.
Wow, you get a kickback for ripping people off more.
I have no hope for modern governments.
Apple sold comply. Needing 2 years is BS. If they are producing say that iPhone 11 in India, just solder in a usb c port instead of lighting. How hard can it be? They are the same size.
Like literally very hard on that scale.
The pcb footprint isn't the same. Changing the port isn't as simple as just soldering this one instead of that one. The pins are in a different order. Changing the port requires redesigning the PCB that the port attaches to. In a larger device, maybe you could create some kind of internal adapter that can solder to the lightning footprint but provide a usb-c port, but there's just not enough room in a modern phone.
Plus, even though the USB portion of the circuitry may be the same, the port does more than just provide a usb interface. There's also headphone functionality and other things on there that have to be adapted too, or the phone will have less functionality than it did and people with bitch that apple broke their headphones when they changed the port over.
Surely it can't be that hard to re-engineer? Can't they take the port from the existing 15 and adapt it to the older models they are still building new? Even if it took 1 month to adapt, surely that would be enough time?
Then apple shouldn't be an anti-consumer piece of shit
