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[–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 102 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Java is poison for the mind

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Why do people feel this way?

I'm genuinely curious as I'd think having a wider swathe of coding experience would be a good thing wouldn't it?

I don't work in fields that use coding expertise, I drive a forklift so I'm out of my wheel house when it comes to coding.

[–] Transtronaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure either. Best guesses are a combination of elitism, ignorance, preconceptions, groupthink, and insincere memeing.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

NGL if I saw a job listing that said, "Don't have experience in a specific field," I wouldn't apply even if I didn't have experience in the field specified because my assumptions for why they'd say that basically are the reasons you said.

Or that they would want someone they could under pay for the position, but that's more specific for what the job is and what they don't want you to know beforehand.

Edit: Fixed wrong wording

[–] gornius@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Java used to lack many features to make the stuff you wanted it to do, so most Java programmers adapted design patterns to solve these problems.

Honestly, older versions of Java are utter garbage DX. The only reason it got so popular was because of aggressive enterprise marketing and it worked. How can a language lack such an essential feature as default parameters?

So, anyway after the great hype Java lost its marketshare, and developers were forced to learn another technologies. And of course, instead of looking for language-native way of solving problems, they just used same design patterns.

And thus MoveAdapterStrategyFactoryFactories were in places where simple lambda function would do the same thing, just not abstracted away three layers above. Obviously used once in the entire codebase.

Imo the only really good thing about Java was JVM, while it was not perfect, it actually delivered what it promised.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago

This is the only necessary comment in the entire thread, thanks for explaining

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[–] PaperTowel@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Java in a large way has been eclipsed by most other languages, and developers kind of have a way of making fun of old technologies, like a lot of the same jokes are made about PHP which is still very popular but outdated. In reality Java is also still incredibly popular and knowing it is certainly a benefit. It's just a collective joke.

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[–] amtwon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If it's a job that requires high-performance/low-level code (which seems to be the case from the other qualifications), this is probably their way of filtering out people who have primarily worked at a higher level where you don't need to worry about the nitty-gritty details

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I can almost guarantee that job post was written by a recruiter who had some engineers in a call. The recruiter probably said something like "What about Java? I hear Java is important" to which the engineer(s) likely jokingly responded "Oh, no, please no. MINIMUM POSSIBLE JAVA. Yeesh. Ideally none." ... and the recruiter took that literally.

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[–] AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, why people hate it so much? It's better than most of the shit people use

[–] blindsight@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

public static void main string args

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 8 points 1 year ago

I'm having compsci flashbacks help

[–] javasux@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] SirQuackTheDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

That's why I'm working in that area. Gotta give the alcoholism some competition up there.

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 80 points 1 year ago (4 children)

ability to bring up hardware

In conversation?

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You need to raise it suckling at your teet until you send it off to college.

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[–] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 year ago

Hardware bring up is when you design a pcb or something and there doesn't yet exist any firmware for it. It would be the ability to debug the board and write firmware for it.

[–] KnowledgeableNip@leminal.space 20 points 1 year ago

No, they're asking if you can get an erection

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

They need someone strong enough ton drag up old servers from the basement.

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you have a link to this job posting? That’s exactly me. Not a joke.

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Looks like the company is https://www.winterwinds.io/, but they do not appear to have any open job listings at the moment. I assume this is an older screenshot.

[–] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And that's how hopes die...

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

If they're a good enough fit, the company might hire them despite not having any open positions. It happened to me once.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Real-time operating system implies the existence of a turn-based operating system.

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[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Maybe they want to avoid java coding patterns. FactoryFactoryGenerator kind of stuff. Maybe they want to teach their own java coding patterns and want someone coming in with a blank slate so they don't have to unlearn habits. Maybe they're tired of diploma mill programmers applying and are using this as a resume filter tripwire.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Definitely. Horror story time.

We had an outside contractor bring us some code once that was thousands of lines of Python to do a very simple job. I was perplexed. I dove in to figure out what the problem was, and somehow I was looking at the most Java-esque Python code I could imagine. What’s worse is that he implemented his own “Java style” property getters and setters for all the Python classes, which obviously aren’t needed because you can simply access properties directly. In the end I took an 80 line snippet of his code (which actually did the work we needed), swapped out all the getters and setters, and deleted all the rest.

This is pretty common with outside contractors.

We just come in, say we'll pay them x dollars and they give us code that passes the test. But that code will not at all align with any prior patterns.

I absolutely know I'm guilty of it when I do freelancing. Sorry.

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

That's not to say that python coding habits are the best either -- certainly they're terrible when translating outside of python (most of the time). And even within python, someone who is used to with only the base modules will write it differently than writing PyQt and still completely different than someone doing numpy code... because the styles of coding of the underlying system change your coding mode. Like, my variables are all CamelCase when doing user interfaces with Qt because it makes sense there, stylistically.

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[–] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It might be to see who is reading the posting and tailoring their reply. Kinda like a "no green M&Ms" rider.

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[–] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Definitely the first. I work in ML, and I find for instance people with background mainly in c# to be the least fit for my field, particularly if they have long experience. So I understand this kind of requests

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[–] frobeniusnorm@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Ruling Javascript and Python programmers out would be more sane imho. Java sucks, but at least its typed and doesn't implement weird semantics.

[–] anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Had to work with a python programer on a small java project (in uni). I passed some (handcrafted) strings in an Optional to be explicit an first thing he does is check whether they are empty (sending on empty strings would not have been problematic). Also he had compilation errors on his branch that lasted over a week. What python does to someone.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That guy was shitty at Python, then. Python is all about EAFP instead of LBYL.

[–] lostme@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eat ass fast paced instead of lay back your lettuce?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

"Easier to Ask Forgiveness than Permission" vs. "Look Before You Leap."

In other words, in Python you should just write the code to do the thing and then put an exception handler at the bottom instead of cluttering up your function with guard code everywhere.

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[–] Sunrosa@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Did NOT expect to see Rust mentioned. Happy it's getting recognized.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isnt there Rust in the linux kernel now? Would be kinda crazy if it didnt get noticed by now...

[–] null@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Rust is the Celeste of programming languages.

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[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure it is, grandpa. Now let's take your pills and go to bed.

[–] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 19 points 1 year ago

Like in the old days "No previous exposure to FORTRAN" required.

[–] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

reading this just gives me the biggest imposted syndrom and reminds me of how underqualified for any job i feel, even after my software development apprenticeship

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[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Git hygiene is important for avoiding Git-Transmitted Infections (GTIs) such as Vim

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[–] edinbruh@feddit.it 8 points 1 year ago

Once I asked a professor to participate in a project. So he interviewed me and asked me about my skills, as they do, and one of the questions was "do you know oop? Java?", me: "just the basics", him: "even better".

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