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[โ€“] peereboominc@lemm.ee 77 points 2 years ago (2 children)

City's like Amsterdam are not build for cars. They are allowed but it is mostly people on foot and bicycles. Going over 30 is not possible and dangerous.

[โ€“] grue@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

On the contrary: Amsterdam was rebuilt for cars in the 1950s-1970s, then re-rebuilt for bikes because they realized that they had made a terrible mistake.

[โ€“] Empricorn@feddit.nl 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So... it's not currently built for cars.

[โ€“] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The point is, it's not an "oh, it's just 'cause it's old and historic and couldn't possibly be replicated anywhere else" thing. It absolutely can be done everywhere; the only difference is that Amsterdam is one of the few places that's had the, frankly, good sense to do it. (I almost wrote "political will" there, but when you consider the fact that car-centric design doesn't even fucking work for car drivers themselves, it really is more a matter of competence than ideology.)

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[โ€“] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The old center that was built before cars is only a part of the city. The rest of the city has been built with car traffic in mind. The problem is more that it is too crowded.

[โ€“] taladar@feddit.de 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The problem is really that cars are too space inefficient for what they do. Cars travelling at 50km/h should have at the very least 1s of travel distance safety distance between vehicles which is about three car lengths. In other words for the often single person travelling in a car you need about one lane width times 4 car lengths of space which is probably more than your average apartment size in most cities and unlike apartments roads tend to not be stacked 5 or 6 high on top of each other. And that does not even take parking and space to enter and exit each parking space into account. Not to mention that a lot of that space is unused outside the peak usage hours at any given location.

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[โ€“] Blackmist@feddit.uk 21 points 2 years ago

We're were getting a 20 mph limit for most roads in our UK town (until it was scrapped yesterday) and the local Facebook groups are acting like they're turning us into an open air prison.

Apparently having shops in walking distance is a Chinese conspiracy, and we must reject the climate emergency, and other such frothing at the mouth...

[โ€“] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago

And next step is to enforce a 25km/h speed limit for e-bikes. Those kids on those fatbikes are a menace.

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