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Abstain = We’re against a cease fire but we don’t really want to say that out loud, people might think we’re horrible…
I was thinking more: We’re for a cease fire but we’re afraid America might be salty about it,
It's both at the same time. This conflict has caused populations of the yellow countries to be divided more than ever before.
This has caused many politicians to slip up in their first reactions, in which they declared unconditional support for Israel after the attacks by Hamas.
Even at that point more people than they anticipated took the stance that "self defence" should not automatically include fighting beyond your own borders and there was outrage. People felt their heads of state needed to represent ALL citizens, which means full support for the Israeli cause was unacceptable.
This has put several world leaders in an awkward position where they have to carefully balance protecting human rights within Gaza and simultaneously condemning Hamas as a terrorist organization. Abstaining from voting for a ceasefire is a direct result of that. Voting either way might open up new discussion with supporters of either side.
This is very obviously the cowardly way out and we as a people need to push for a resolution to this conflict that is morally just and protects human rights on both sides.
While Germany abstained it was purely for economic reasons in not enraging the "global south" that sees the imperialist regime brutalizing the occupied territories, like the European countries did in so many countries before.
In Germany now people without german citizenship are demanded to sign a paper pledging support to Israel or otherwise facing repercussions like deportation.
In Germany now people without german citizenship are demanded to sign a paper pledging support to Israel or otherwise facing repercussions like deportation.
It was in one of 16 German states, it was an acknowledgement of Israel's right to exist, not a pledge of support, and it was no demand with threat of deportation, but part of the naturalization paperwork. Other than that your comment is spot on.
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I remember that at least the Finnish reason for abstaining is that Hamas was not mentioned nor their attack condemned in any way in the cease fire resolution. Canada started a petition to change the wording of the resolution and most countries who abstained voted for this.
This is the same bullshit excuse America used to veto the first ceasefire.
Then when a bill with condemnation was introduced America still vetoed it.
It's just a pretentious troll. Every country that abstained is owned by the israeli lobby. That said the veto is far worse.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231018-us-vetoes-un-resolution-on-israel-hamas-war
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Still a million times better than vetoing it. We should be ashamed here in the US...
I read that completely differently to you. I see it as "we want a ceasefire but bullshit politics means we can't vote for it "
Some countries like Canada, are neutrally aligned, and simply don't answer questions like this. Same with Denmark, I believe.
I get what you’re saying and that might very well be the case but you can’t be neutral in a case like this. Neutral means supporting Israel.
I have zero respect for countries voting no, but abstaining is no better. You (as a country) are literally preventing others to help by doing so. Someone is getting stabbed in front of you and you go “no, no, don’t help, we shouldn’t interfere”.
Just let them die I guess, they’re only Palestinians after all.
Shame on you Canada and all other yellows.
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Can't believe PNG voted against, there's no transparency in it.
I'm surprised Russia voted for the ceasefire. I would expect them to appreciate the distraction.
They appreciate being seen as opposing the west even more. Especially when it comes to toothless UN resolutions.
They don't want Hamas to be eliminated. Russia is always for ceasefire when its side is loosing.
Optics. Israel and Russia are both on massacre sides
Dmitriy Polyanskiy, Russia’s representative, said US diplomacy was "leaving scorched earth in its wake". He said if an immediate ceasefire was blocked by the US again, how could the country look its partners in the eye? He called on the US to "make the right choice" and support the demand for an end to violence.
Funny from a country currently invading its neighbor
The russian hypocricsy should not distract from the truth therein. What happens now is the US foreign policy dream. Instead of having to destabilize the middle east by themselves, they just need to supply Israel with more weapons and money, so they will do it for them.
It's solely due to US being the bad side along with Israel, they're trying to shift the narrative.
They know America is going to veto it because they're israel's bitches. And it looks way better for countries like Iran which supply Russia with drones to bomb Ukraine with.
Ironically Russia is winning support with their stance on human rights over America in this conflict. Zelensky sucking Netanyahu off also doesn't promote the Arabs views of Ukraine.
Even China dunked on America yesterday at the UN, that's when you know it's bad
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Wherein 'abstained' = 'we want to veto it but fear the political backlash so we'll leave it to the US'
Well, in fact only the 5 permanent members can veto a decision...
Ah.
This map will go down in the history books when they will speak about the Palestinian Genocide.
Future generations will ask how we let that happen.
The current generation isn't asking lots of questions about Uigurs, Armenians, etc.
So x for doubt
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Slightly off-topic, but TIL Croatia in Croatian is Hrvatska (thought it was a mistake at first and maybe HRV stood for (Bosnia and) Herzegovina)
While I knew the name, your comment made me wonder why Croatias country code is in their language while most others aren't. Like, hungary would be Magyarország, which is also very different from their English name.
Also, Austrias country code is wrong in this map. It should be AUT, AUS is Australia.
It's a lovely name! What I really want to know is, is it still pronounced like "Croatia"? In my mind you could kind of do it like "Hro-vaisha" maybe? Maybe someone who knows tha answer will show up!
Not at all similar.
The r after the H is"hard"/rolling. The Hr sound alone is probably where most non natives will have trouble. The closest sound is probably the pirate "Arrrr".
The ts is a sharp "z" sound ( like the plural ending in farts) and the k sound is also hard/sharp ( like in Mikado).
Despite appearing and sounding different, Hrvatska is actually the modern development of the early medieval Latin word "Croatia".
It's also common in many languages to call the country by a translation of Croatia instead of Hrvatska. The proper way to address the country would be "Republic of Hrvatska" and its people as "Hrvati" instead of "Croats".
The world has spoken. Now act world, act!
I don’t doubt for a second that Biden isn’t trying to get a second ceasefire going, but at the same time, this vote is hypocritical. There’s no denying that.
I don't believe that the US is interested in a ceasefire aside from appearance necessary to keep the muslim world and the muslims in the US and Europe from revolting against the injustice.
The US always worked to destabilize the Middle East and with Israel being armed to its teeth and countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt happy to sell out, this is perfect to sow division, despair and violence.
You don't doubt Genocide Joe, the guy single handedly funding the genocide, announcing his full support for the genocide, and vetoing the stopping of the genocide...
about wanting to stop the genocide?
What?
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What is this? Canada just voted to support.
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