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[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 75 points 2 years ago

And to think he could have been saved if those guards had washed their hands before beating him.

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 68 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The fucked up part is that barely a decade after his death - thanks to the efforts of Louis Pasteur - Semmelweis's work went from so controversial they condemned him to his death, to becoming the basis for the field of aseptics

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Florence Nightingale made some important public contributions here as well

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I know that effect!

“That's the Florence Nightingale effect. It happens in hospitals when nurses fall in love with their patients.”

But what was George doing in that tree?

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Dude just needed a better PR team.

“By the lords blessing washing your hands in holy water and soap allows Christ to deliver the baby”

People would’ve seen the decrease in mortality and he could’ve gotten a selfie with the pope.

[–] bratosch@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But then he'd given The Imaginary Man undeserved credit, and who knows where medicine would be today? so I think it was all for the best

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

Yeaaa religion set humanity back far enough as is, we need to attribute as little as possible to it

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Imagine if Jesus Christ himself was just a benevolent charlatan that tried to codify a good standard of conduct for all his followers (and was then sadly overinterpreted and used for the occasional hate-speech)

[–] SkippingRelax@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Please continue

[–] tygerprints@kbin.social 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Never suggest common sense to people who are raised in ignorance. Too much of a new idea will always be a huge threat to them, though nobody knows why.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

If Semmelweis' s theories were correct, it would have meant that many deaths of their patients would have been easily avoidable. So those other doctors could either ridicule the theory and continue living + practicing in ignorance, or accept the theory and also accept that they had (unknowingly) caused the deaths of many of their patients.

I'm not surprised that they chose the route of ridicule. I'm also not surprised that 20 or 30 years later, when the assistants of the old doctors had become the new generation of doctors, that the theory was then more easily accepted.

[–] cameron_vale@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

But ignorance is only really appreciated in retrospect.

When the ignoramus is contemporary, he knows he's right. He's thinking what all the smart modern people are thinking. Of course he's right.

And any idea that contradicts him (and contradict the modern, right-thinking majority) is clearly foolishness.

So maybe it's the modern right-thinkers that we need to be wary of.

[–] tygerprints@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

IT's the Dunning-Kruger effect - people with limited knowledge or competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria. And they tend to only value the criteria that validate their own points of view. What we really lack is the eagerness to know all sides of an issue and take them into account.

[–] DrMango@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Semmelweis was also kind of an asshole and would camp out by hospital sinks and yell at staffers for not washing their hands. He had the right idea, but he also had a shit personality which definitely contributed to the "everyone hated him" thing.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

It also wasn’t soap and water handwashing. He had them wash in chlorinated lime, which did turn out to be effective in killing germs but also wasn’t the most pleasant stuff to be constantly putting your hands in.

[–] bratosch@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago (14 children)

What I'm wondering is why the midwives for some reason had cleaner hands hand the male doctors?

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 62 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The doctors at the hospital where this happened were also doing autopsies and would often go directly from an autopsie to the delivery ward without washing their hands.

The midwives did not perform autopsies.

It was not that the midwives' hands were especially clean, it was that the Dr's hands were very contaminated.

[–] Kage520@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

I think once when this was posted they said doctors would see other patients and even perform autopsies then do surgeries with no hand washing between.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

They weren't dealing with other sick people I imagine. Also I bet they tended spend more time with each patient since they only did one specialist task.

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[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can't wait to see what future generations will remark "I can't believe they lived in a world without that knowledge" about our time.

[–] crimroy@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago
[–] Karaatti@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
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[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is this real and accurate?

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] lookorex@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not really, they just forgot a word. Should be "what do you mean..."

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"What do you mean things are so small that we can't see them with the human eye?"

[–] lookorex@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

What do you mean "things so small we can't see them with the human eye?"

[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

I'll fix the typo once Jerboa is working again. Seems to be the only app I can use to edit a post with.

[–] progbob@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Like Nietschze; I mean the official theory ist that he contracted syfilis as a young man and therefore later in his life ended up in an insane asylum; which of course was fathomable and apparently happend a lot in the end of the 19th century. I for myself kinda choose to stick to the theory that he just couldn't take the world view he created for himself anymore and the ignorance of the vast majority, so that he also had something like a 'nervous breakdown' that landed him in such a place. But well, I guess that's just trivia or the ramblings of another mad man.. 😜cheers

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

It is a pretty confident bet that mental illness is caused by mental illness not philosophy

[–] cameron_vale@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

All modern smart people know what the truth is. Always have. Always will.

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