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[–] okra_smuggler@kbin.social 137 points 2 years ago (4 children)

This is extremely vague with zero context.

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Right? There's a lot to criticize the US government for, but I'm pretty sure that this is already how things work. No idea what OP is on about

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why can't I use explosives to fish?

Why is it illegal to spray people with gasoline?

If my company wants to dump toxins into the daycare, they should. There's no laws for it.

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 7 points 2 years ago

There are actually laws for all of those FYI.

[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

This has "park in handicap parking without stickers" energy

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 5 points 2 years ago

Lemmy.world isn't exclusive to the USA, but still yeah I think deregulators are almost always the worst type of politician.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This also works as a corporate excuse to do whatever the hell they want to a community and the environment.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 years ago

This is the huge problem with the optics of Libertarianism as a whole. Thats why Liberal Progressive is a more common term because the right wing co-opts libertarian arguments in a pro-corporate way.

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

DAMNIT THIS IS MERIKA I SHOULD HAVE A MISSILE LAUNCHER ON THE FRONT YARD BEN WASHINGTON WROTE IT IN THE CONSTITUTION

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Don't forget James Hancock, Thomas Madison, and John Jefferson!

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 11 points 2 years ago (25 children)

Laws against victimless crimes come to mind.

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[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 75 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Justification is easy. Damn near no one does anything they don't feel is justified. You may not agree with it, but that doesn't really matter, because the right people will.

A lot of the most evil shit in history was done by people who felt completely justified in doing it.

Justification is a stupidly low bar.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 12 points 2 years ago (10 children)

You're missing the point. We don't need to justify to the government why we need to do anything. The government needs to justify to us why it should be prohibited. Feeling justified in your own actions doesn't come into it.

As for "the most evil shit in history", it should be extremely easy for the government to justify prohibiting it.

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[–] Seaguy05@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago

US Govt: Y'all shoot a lot of people. Let's slow this down a bit. Some people: how about I shoot you!?

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 37 points 2 years ago

Take cannabis for instance. They've 'justified' why it has been illegal, it's just all the reasons were manipulated science and moral bullshit.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Normal people have their behavior regulated by family, partners, and work. It's only the ownership class and psychopaths who worry about being reined in by the government. Libertarians have spiders in their brains.

[–] Bgugi@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Miscegny, abortion, sodomy, war on drugs...

There's plenty of things the government has (and it's trying to have) blocked that "normal" people should worry about

[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Have you ever noticed the people who don't want lead in the gasoline are not the same people who are trying to ban abortion?

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 years ago

Regulations on business and production of resources don't infringe on my personal liberties.

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[–] Chriswild@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Some states making it illegal to be homeless. I'm sure the 14th amendment won't be used for nefarious purposes... /s

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hey this is the "I have nothing to hide" argument for privacy. I think wanting people to have freedom from suspicion by the government is based. You're not gonna find me agreeing with any right wing "libertarian" positions like low taxes. My libertarianism is more about... Policing.

[–] scoobford@lemmy.one 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I agree. I've been listening to behind the bastards a lot, and the host is basically a pretty radical dude in favor of maximizing personal and civic freedoms and social safety nets.

At this point I feel like we should be called the neo-libroanarchists or something. It seems like every political faction in the US is trying to restrict something just because.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s only the ownership class and psychopaths who worry about being reined in by the government.

I guess you forgot the badge-wearing fascists with itchy trigger fingers stalking your neck of the woods with the express purpose of visiting violence upon you if you step out of line.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Who uses the badge wearing fascists to control you? The ownership class. Guess who is the ownership class? Not you and I.

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[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 23 points 2 years ago (10 children)

You can't go running around with feces all over your body and hug strangers, OP, it's not hygienic.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Boom. Justification. OP's request is satisfied.

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[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Isn't it inherently cringe to claim your own things based?

[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You think this is OC? You must be new here.

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[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

The government does justify its prohibitions.

They're just sometimes good justifications (like protecting drinking water supplies) or shitty justifications (like staying in power with Gerrymandering).

Sometimes it's even as weak as "putting forward laws Senator John looks like he's doing something (so he can stay visible and get reelected. Not about power, but just keeping a cushy job)"

But there's always a justification.

This is stupid.

[–] bigFab@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)
[–] Happybara@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Tolerance is just an extension of the social contract. Intolerant people are actively violating the social contract and, as such, are not eligible for the benefits such a contract provides. This has been settled law for millennia. Live and let live... or else.

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[–] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 years ago

Meh, I'm not a Nazi so no offense taken.

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[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I will do all that I can to crumple a world where "if it is not required it is forbidden" exists; this I swear to you all.

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[–] PatFussy@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Uhhhh... isnt this how it already works?

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[–] uid0gid0@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

See also: the ninth amendment.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Justifications are easy, though.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ehh that is how it is right now though? Anything that's not illegal is allowed.

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