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New York City’s congestion pricing program is moving forward with a $15 fee on passenger vehicles, reports Stephen Nessen in Gothamist, after the MTA board voted to approve it. The program now enters a 60-day public comment period before a final vote.

Nessen points out that “The stakes are high for the program. Congestion pricing has been successfully implemented in other countries. But the MTA’s program represents the first effort in the United States to impose a fee to reduce gridlock.” Additionally, “The tolls are required by law to back $15 billion worth of loans, which accounts for nearly a third of the MTA's 2020-2024 construction program.”

The program includes exemptions and fare discounts for low-income drivers, emergency vehicles, and drivers who already pay certain tolls. “Small trucks, buses and vans face a $24 charge during those hours, while large trucks, including big rigs, will have to pay $36. Motorcycles will be tolled a $7.50 daytime fee.” The fee is reduced by 75 percent during nighttime hours.

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[–] lemann@lemmy.one 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Sounds good overall, should reduce traffic levels significantly and make people consider whether they really need to drive their car in such a compact city.

Not sure if I agree with tolling motorcycles though, they don't take up anywhere near the same footprint as the average car

[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well what are we tolling? Square footage? Noise? Carbon emissions? Deaths and injuries? Yes. Motorcycles are better in some categories and worse in others

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

fair point that I didn't consider! my assumption would be traffic, seeing as the toll is branded as "congestion pricing" - which wouldn't really make sense for motorcycles because they make up so little of the actual cause of traffic in NYC (large motor vehicles).

If we're talking about noise though, and how clean the engine burns fuel, motorcycles are 100% guilty as charged IMO.

Deaths and injuries is a little muddier because there are several factors at play, fault could lie on any individual involved in the accident, or maybe even the road design itself. I don't think these would be robust enough to use as the sole basis for a toll fee

[–] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Eric Adams actually being useful? Now that's rare

[–] regul@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

His support has become more tepid lately. I wouldn't count him out of some eleventh hour bullshit.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

instead of charging people why not invest in better public transit? why punish people who may not have a choice?

i hear public transit in ny is awful

[–] candle_lighter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this is what the money is being used for

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

trillions were just printed to bail out banks in the last few years, somehow we end up paying for everything but it never comes back to us.

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